Carlson Doesnt Deserve A Title Shot?

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SmyslovFan

Greenlynn, what time control would you recommend for such a series, and how would you suggest these 64 players make a living when not playing in the world championship? 

Chess has a great tradition. It doesn't need to pretend to be tennis or basketball any more than football needs to have world championships more than once every four years. 

A three year cycle was excellent. We now have a 2-year cycle, which is difficult to schedule but seems to work. Anything faster than two years will just cheapen the final product.

SmyslovFan

By the way, Carlsen won the Candidates' Tournament and therefore deserves a shot at the title. While this was not the best way to determine a candidate, Carlsen did what he needed to do. I'm looking forward to the World Championship in November and am seriously rooting for Anand to win this time. 

Carlsen's an amazing talent, but he needs more resistance in order to hone his skills more. Losing the World Championship match will give him that impetus to get even better! And perhaps, in the process, give the casual fans a greater appreciation for Anand's amazing chess skills.

falcogrine

i think Carlsen needs to do more opening prep. Or then again, maybe he's just trying to be fair to everyone else.

nameno1had

in the proposed 64 player tourney, how would draws be dealt with ?

greenlynn

What I mainly don't like is that FIDE does the championship like boxing. A champion waits for a challenger to come to him (or could be her one of these days).  It should be changed that every so often (3 times a year is okey dokey by me) that a tournament is held to determine the champion and the previous champion is just one of the contenders.

falcogrine
greenlynn wrote:

What I mainly don't like is that FIDE does the championship like boxing. A champion waits for a challenger to come to him (or could be her one of these days).  It should be changed that every so often (3 times a year is okey dokey by me) that a tournament is held to determine the champion and the previous champion is just one of the contenders.

not in Carlsen's lifetime!Smile

InfiniteFlash

I just want a great World championship match, i dont care who wins. I want fighting chess, not gandalf vs ananditgoes

Carlsen vs Vishy (Boozefest) is definitely a better matchup than Kramnik vs Vishy (Snoozefest)

nameno1had
greenlynn wrote:

What I mainly don't like is that FIDE does the championship like boxing. A champion waits for a challenger to come to him (or could be her one of these days).  It should be changed that every so often (3 times a year is okey dokey by me) that a tournament is held to determine the champion and the previous champion is just one of the contenders.

While I think it would certainly spark more interest in some respects, it would make it much harder for the champ to participate in tournaments as regularly as some players. He would always have to be preparing for an upcoming #1 contender's match with him.

The other players could certainly participate in tourneys to vie for the #1 contender spot. Once they reach it though, they would also have to stop doing tourneys to prepare for their championship match.

I would think once a year would be more like it in terms of challenging the champ. Often in boxing, once a year is about as often as a champ will fight.

I think that the developmental process of chess players at that level needs more time than 4 months for a repeat shot at a champ. This would be especially so if the #1 challenger has been the same player the last 3 attempts. If it wasn't even close in any of the previous matches, what is the point of a 4th consecutive match ? This is another reason I think once a year would be more practical.

PhoenixTTD

Carlsen's wins were all pretty good if I remember correctly.  Some of his draws not so much.  Kramnik had one less win and one of those was handed to him.  They knew that they had to win for tie breaks, either against whoever the likely leader was or against everyone.  Kramnik knew these rules and still played it too safe so he does not deserve a shot.

Carlsen on the other hand did not have the decisive win some expected.  He confidently pushes small edges in games and tournaments.  Now he has to prove he can do it in a match. 

Coming apart in the last game is not a good sign.  He will be under more pressure and will be more tired in the match.  He has to find a way to keep his game up against someone who has been there and done that.

nameno1had
PhoenixTTD wrote:

Carlsen's wins were all pretty good if I remember correctly.  Some of his draws not so much.  Kramnik had one less win and one of those was handed to him.  They knew that they had to win for tie breaks, either against whoever the likely leader was or against everyone.  Kramnik knew these rules and still played it too safe so he does not deserve a shot.

Carlsen on the other hand did not have the decisive win some expected.  He confidently pushes small edges in games and tournaments.  Now he has to prove he can do it in a match. 

Coming apart in the last game is not a good sign.  He will be under more pressure and will be more tired in the match.  He has to find a way to keep his game up against someone who has been there and done that.

I personally think he will be fine. I think you will see a some what different Carlsen, who actually seems more prepared than ever and not functioning solely on talent alone. I have actually questioned if he was holding back some things he has been preparing.

I wouldn't want to pull out my best tricks before the biggest stage is set...

...it stands to reason he wouldn't either.

InfiniteFlash

The question is, can Carlsen outprepare the best prepared chess player (Anand) that is currently playing? Yes, I think he is more prepared than Kramnik. Opening preparation will matter a lot I think. Maybe Carlsen will try the mainlines for once haha, throw Vishy off.

nameno1had

Something tells me Anand, in particular, will not play the mainlines, so Carlsen better be prepared...

I think it would behove Carlsen to prepare some things that are off of the beaten path.

mattyf9
ah93704559 wrote:

What a cheap way to win the candidates tournament, don't you think? I felt Kramnik was more impressive since he only lost one game. On the other hand, Carlson vs Anand promises to be an epic battle. What do you guys think? Girls too?

This is ridiculous.  He won the tournament, and he has been the strongest player in the world for some time now.  Who cares if his win was "cheap."  Calling his win cheap is idiotic anyway.  He still won, and clearly deserves to play anand.  

unluckythirtyfive
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unluckythirtyfive

Also, to anyone doubting Carlsen- look at how many tournaments he's won lately. Now look at how many Kramnik has won. Now shut your ignorant gob.

pfren

Who cares if woodpushers are doubting Carlsen?

Himself certainly doesn't pay a dime.

Ziryab
greenlynn wrote:

I really think that the Chess World championship should be done like the NCAA basketball tournament.  Invite the 64 top rated players to compete every year. Single elimination to the the Final Four and then to the Finals!  Who knows, maybe ESPN would pick it up that way! Hey, chess beat World Series of Poker IMNSHO.

Such nonsense could give us really interesting champions like Alexander Khalifman!

Ziryab

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varelse1

Carlsen and Kramnik should have had some sort of play-off, rather than just arbitrarily advancing one of them. Kramnik earned that much, at least.

TRANKD

Why the hell no one knows how to spell his name on this forums? It's freaking CARLSEN. Same goes for Cramnik, Nakurama, Fisher etc.