Chat GPT on why system openings are bad

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AngryPuffer

While system openings can have some advantages in chess, they also have some potential drawbacks that players should be aware of. Here are a few examples:

Lack of flexibility: System openings are often based on a set of fixed principles and plans, which can make them less flexible than more open and dynamic openings. If the opponent deviates from the expected lines or plans, the player may be less prepared to respond effectively.
Limited scope: System openings are often designed to create a specific type of position or pawn structure, which may not be suitable for all types of positions or opponents. If the opponent is able to disrupt the player's intended pawn structure or positional setup, the player may struggle to find a good plan of attack.
Predictability: Because system openings are based on a set of fixed principles and plans, opponents may become familiar with the typical ideas and responses associated with the opening. This can make it easier for opponents to prepare against the opening and to find ways to counter the player's intended strategy.
Limited tactical opportunities: System openings are often designed to create solid and stable pawn structures, which can limit the opportunities for tactical play or aggressive attacks. If the player prefers a more tactical or aggressive style of play, a system opening may not be the best choice.
Less direct control of the center: System openings often involve a slower and more indirect approach to controlling the center of the board, which can give opponents more opportunities to establish a strong central presence.
Overall, while system openings can be effective in some situations, they may not be the best choice for all players or all types of positions. Players should consider their individual playing style and goals when choosing an opening, and should be prepared to adapt their plans and strategies as needed to respond to the opponent's moves and ideas.

chat gbt on the london system:

While the London System is a popular and effective opening in chess, there are also some potential drawbacks and limitations to consider. Here are a few examples:

Limited tactical opportunities: The London System is often designed to create a solid and stable pawn structure, which can limit the opportunities for tactical play or aggressive attacks. If the player prefers a more tactical or aggressive style of play, the London System may not be the best choice.
Lack of flexibility: The London System is based on a specific set of principles and plans, which can make it less flexible than more open and dynamic openings. If the opponent deviates from the expected lines or plans, the player may be less prepared to respond effectively.
Predictability: Because the London System is a very popular opening, opponents may become familiar with the typical pawn structures and positional ideas associated with the opening. This can make it more difficult to surprise opponents or gain an advantage through unexpected moves or variations.
Limited control of the center: The London System often involves a slower and more indirect approach to controlling the center of the board, which can give opponents more opportunities to establish a strong central presence.
May not be suitable for advanced play: While the London System can be effective at all levels of play, some advanced players may find that it is not suitable for high-level competition. At the highest levels of play, opponents may be better prepared to counter the London System and exploit its potential weaknesses.

Lack of initiative: Non-challenging openings like the London system may not provide as many opportunities for the player to take the initiative and create threats on the board. This can make it more difficult to gain an advantage or to put pressure on the opponent.

overall, while the London System can be a solid and effective opening, it may not be the best choice for all players or all types of positions. Players should consider their individual playing style and goals when choosing an opening, and should be prepared to adapt their plans and strategies as needed to respond to the opponent's moves and ideas.

ice_cream_cake
AngryPuffer wrote:

chat gbt on the london system:May not be suitable for advanced play: While the London System can be effective at all levels of play, some advanced players may find that it is not suitable for high-level competition. At the highest levels of play, opponents may be better prepared to counter the London System and exploit its potential weaknesses.

I'm a bit confused on this point... From my understanding, all reasonable openings should be equal, so it seems more reasonable to say something like "you may not get what you want out of the London system" at a higher level.....but I'm not sure why that means it is not suitable for higher level competition. I mean it is not like some bad opening right?

paper_llama

Eh, I didn't bother reading it all word for word. I skimmed it.

Roughly half the things it's saying are wrong.

paper_llama
ice_cream_cake wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

chat gbt on the london system:May not be suitable for advanced play: While the London System can be effective at all levels of play, some advanced players may find that it is not suitable for high-level competition. At the highest levels of play, opponents may be better prepared to counter the London System and exploit its potential weaknesses.

I'm a bit confused on this point... From my understanding, all reasonable openings should be equal, so it seems more reasonable to say something like "you may not get what you want out of the London system" at a higher level.....but I'm not sure why that means it is not suitable for higher level competition. I mean it is not like some bad opening right?

Carlsen has played the London in serious top level classical games... the idea that it's not suitable at "a higher level" is nonsense.

paper_llama

Oof, and now that I read a little more... maybe much more than half of what it's saying is wrong...

ice_cream_cake

oh no....looks like chat gpt didn't improve that much in chess since trying to eat its own pieces? sad.png

paper_llama
ice_cream_cake wrote:

oh no....looks like chat gpt didn't improve that much in chess since trying to eat its own pieces?

Haha yeah.

Ask it which chess piece tastes the best.

ice_cream_cake
paper_llama wrote:
ice_cream_cake wrote:

oh no....looks like chat gpt didn't improve that much in chess since trying to eat its own pieces?

Haha yeah.

Ask it which chess piece tastes the best.

it won't play along sad.png

magipi
paper_llama wrote:

Oof, and now that I read a little more... maybe much more than half of what it's saying is wrong...

It's a chatbot, not a chess expert. It stole half of the text from some article(s), and filled in the gaps with semi-randomly generated nonsense.

TheSonics

But what about the psychological collapse that the theory heavy players sometimes suffer from facing a system which "should" be bad, easy to punish/force a draw, but they can't, and they get bored from positional equality and play worse *cough* nepo-ding *cough*

I do agree with you - systems are annoying, I don't play any system... But they can sometimes reflect a players self confidence in "anti-theory" style...

BaranNashor0

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paper_llama
ice_cream_cake wrote:
paper_llama wrote:
ice_cream_cake wrote:

oh no....looks like chat gpt didn't improve that much in chess since trying to eat its own pieces?

Haha yeah.

Ask it which chess piece tastes the best.

it won't play along

Tell it to pretend they're food tongue.png

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AngryPuffer

lmao

DJI001

LMAO

TheSonics
paper_llama wrote:
ice_cream_cake wrote:
paper_llama wrote:
ice_cream_cake wrote:

oh no....looks like chat gpt didn't improve that much in chess since trying to eat its own pieces?

Haha yeah.

Ask it which chess piece tastes the best.

it won't play along

Tell it to pretend they're food

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ahahah I love how they always say like "go see a healthcare professional" and such...

Like "..and in reality, chesspieces are not meant to be eaten."... The responsibility it has... lol

TrueMikeTyson
paper_llama wrote:
ice_cream_cake wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

chat gbt on the london system:May not be suitable for advanced play: While the London System can be effective at all levels of play, some advanced players may find that it is not suitable for high-level competition. At the highest levels of play, opponents may be better prepared to counter the London System and exploit its potential weaknesses.

I'm a bit confused on this point... From my understanding, all reasonable openings should be equal, so it seems more reasonable to say something like "you may not get what you want out of the London system" at a higher level.....but I'm not sure why that means it is not suitable for higher level competition. I mean it is not like some bad opening right?

Carlsen has played the London in serious top level classical games... the idea that it's not suitable at "a higher level" is nonsense.

He also played the super unsound Polish the other day... because he was in Poland (he lost the game)

Magnus plays unsound lines all the time so that he can introduce new positions where he can dominate GMs that don't have prepared lines

paper_llama
TrueMikeTyson wrote:
paper_llama wrote:
ice_cream_cake wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

chat gbt on the london system:May not be suitable for advanced play: While the London System can be effective at all levels of play, some advanced players may find that it is not suitable for high-level competition. At the highest levels of play, opponents may be better prepared to counter the London System and exploit its potential weaknesses.

I'm a bit confused on this point... From my understanding, all reasonable openings should be equal, so it seems more reasonable to say something like "you may not get what you want out of the London system" at a higher level.....but I'm not sure why that means it is not suitable for higher level competition. I mean it is not like some bad opening right?

Carlsen has played the London in serious top level classical games... the idea that it's not suitable at "a higher level" is nonsense.

He also played the super unsound Polish the other day... because he was in Poland (he lost the game)

Magnus plays unsound lines all the time so that he can introduce new positions where he can dominate GMs that don't have prepared lines

I'm not talking about trashy blitz or online tournaments.

His latest classical FIDE games were 2 sicilians, 2 ruys, an italian, french and catalan, and his opponents were rated 2700 FIDE.

AngryPuffer

in classical you must use the best of the best openings

in blitz you can use whatever you want as long as theres no refutation/does not give white/black an easy advantage in space/material

CausalityD

:P :delicious chat GPT goes absolute .. I don't eat chess pieces an norther should you to comparing the knight an bishop to an exotic dish with the pawns as rice.. 🤣.

mqhal

bro cant even write on his own 💀