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LucenaTDB

Then let them play at yahoo.

gumpty
If you catch a burglar robbing your belongings out of your house, do you give him a great big hug or beatthe crap out of him? 'well he seems like a nice person' lol , rules are rules, if you break them you have to pay the penalty....
LucenaTDB

I think by the logic given as of late we are to first ask him if he knew breaking into our home and taking things was against the rules.  Then we should listen to  him explain why his method of obtainment benefits us all.  Then when finally convinced that he is not an evil person we are to perhaps find a place that embraces his values.

gumpty
heheh
TheGrobe

Prison?

gumpty
they are stealing from me yes, they are stealing my trust, they are stealing my rating points, they are stealing the site of a good reputation....i could go on,
Knight2828

Wow!! This is such a hot topic!

There have been times, when I for example have been ahead in material, or have had a positional advantage, but because I needed to get back to work, have asked for a draw. Sometimes, my opponents have not given one and I have had to resign. The other day, for example I was one move from giving my opponent (blue) checkmate! My next student walked in my room and I had to resign. Frustrating for me? Yes, but I that is the consequence I face when playing at my work place. I am self-employed for your information!

My nephews have fun playing games under my name. Sometimes, they win, sometimes they lose. When they lose, I lose points, and my tactical games, show inconsistencies in my playing. Should I be upset with them? No, relish the fact that at my house they play chess. So what, if I lose a few points, they are happy campers!

My 2 cents worth!!

gumpty
rajlich wrote:

Who is stealing this all from you?  The engine users?  The database users?  The readers of books?


the people who use engines, the cheats, thats who....
DavidForthoffer
rajlich wrote: ... I came upon this thread, and saw people running mandelshtam off for merely stating what is obvious to most players with a high rating.

You twist things, rajlich. People were criticizing mandelshtam for cheating and for trying to justify cheating, on this site.

All I'm saying is that these people are not nearly as evil as you are trying to make out.

I heard no one here saying program-users were evil. Pathetic, maybe, but not evil. And certainly not justified on chess.com.

MM78

ok let's drop the dbase/book/analysis board/chess board bit right now, we've had enough of such threads and it muddies the waters.  We're talking about engine use right now.  Gumpty is an otb player so eshews analysis board and book during a game.  Fair play.  However I don't believe he thinks people,like me who do use such tools are cheating, just he wants to get better at otb.  None of us condone engines during a game.

TheGrobe
rajlich wrote:

Who is stealing this all from you?  The engine users?  The database users?  The readers of books?


I think it's clear that it is the users of engines who are the subject here.  The other two activities are condoned.

gumpty
MM78 wrote:

ok let's drop the dbase/book/analysis board/chess board bit right now, we've had enough of such threads and it muddies the waters.  We're talking about engine use right now.  Gumpty is an otb player so eshews analysis board and book during a game.  Fair play.  However I don't believe he thinks people,like me who do use such tools are cheating, just he wants to get better at otb.  None of us condone engines during a game.


all correct mate :-) i dont have a problem with ANYBODY who follows the rules of this site, but as a paying member, i expect the site to enforce the rules which we pay for, and i think that they are doing that...it just saddens me that others seem to think that chess is about moves on a board, wherever they came from, whereas people like me, think that moves should come from your mind.
DavidForthoffer
rajlich wrote:

I guess what I don't understand is why engine use is being singled out while database use and book use are allowed.


So why are you asking that in a public forum?

Go ask the staff by private messages. Or do you just like the attention?

TheGrobe
rajlich wrote:

I guess what I don't understand is why engine use is being singled out while database use and book use are allowed.


If for no other reason than because those are the rules.  My guess is that it is set up this way because that is what is reliably enforceable but that's really beside the point.  What is of critical importance is that there is a common understanding and agreement with respect to what those rules are -- whatever they might be.

gumpty
rajlich wrote:

Well, anyway, I seem to have struck a nerve, so maybe I'll just let this rest.  I just wanted to point out that Mandelshtam's viewpoint is a quite common one in some parts of the chess world, and ask you to open your minds a bit, and try to understand.


nope and nope....
TheGrobe

I don't dispute that there may be some value to "freestyle chess", I just don't care to participate, and this site is one place where I can have some comfort that I'm playing in the manner that I prefer.  I'm loath to see that compromised, and frankly, as I've alluded to in prior posts and with my selfish motives set aside, I think that maintaining the current status-quo is simply good business sense for chess.com.

Much_Afraid
achmatova wrote:

gumpty, face it. the point of view of mandelshtam is the one of the overwhelming majority of chess players in the world.


No it's the underwhelming minority which is why you see anti - chess engine rules in place on almost all chess sites that are interested in attracting a decent sized user-base.  Your comment makes no sense as usual.

LucenaTDB

Achmatova wrote:

And Gumptydumpty: Mandelshtam (which is me, I am back, with cleared rating, I will not use a computer anymore, may be I will not play at all, because so many others here use it!!!!)

The above is from page 6 of this topic.

So your alter ego is in agreement with your other account.  Nice. 

And again...it does not matter what happens for the "overwhelming majority of chess players in the world."  You play here, and here what you are doing is not allowed.  So either play by the rules here or play elsewhere where what you are doing is fine.

Why be someplace that does not want you to be doing what you are doing?

And if you really want to play here with your computer you can do so in unrated games where everyone knows what you are doing.

DavidForthoffer
Much_Afraid wrote:
achmatova wrote:

gumpty, face it. the point of view of mandelshtam is the one of the overwhelming majority of chess players in the world.


No it's the underwhelming minority which is why you see anti - chess engine rules in place on almost all chess sites that are interested in attracting a decent sized user-base.  Your comment makes no sense as usual.


Much_Afraid, you misspelled "underwhelming whinority".

Much_Afraid

ha yup, which is why most chess sites looking to make a buck or have any kind of commendable reputation look to avoid these "centaur" players like the plague. Tongue out

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