Chess and mental health (depression)

#43
From the same article.
You surely know enough about computers to search it.
There is a higher prevalence of mental illness among chess players.
Besides that article also '"The Psychology of the Chess Player" by Psychiatrist Reuben Fine said the same.
Chess does not cause or worsen mental illness, it is even beneficial.

You seem to have a continuing problem with taking single individual's opinions as scientific fact .  

If there's an actual study, I'll take a look at it.

#45
Fine was both a chess player and a professional psychiatrist. He quit chess at the height of his career to devote himself entirely to psychiatry. He wrote the book I mentioned.
Many top chess players suffered from mental problems and Fine discussed those cases in his book. He also explains why it is like that in his book.
Psychology is no exact science, but the more recent study with control group is considered scientific in that discipline.

#48
The authors of the scientific paper and dr. Fine are experts.

Conclusions:
There is more mental illness among chess players than in the general population.
Chess does not cause or trigger mental illness, on the contrary it is beneficial.
Chess attracts people susceptible to mental illness.

Anecdotal:
I have played over the board against two players later admitted to a mental institution: one national champion and one county champion.
Once a team match was organised  between a university and a mental institution, the mental institution won.
The prevalence of tuberculosis in the USA is highest in Utah. Does the climate there cause or trigger tuberculosis? No, on the contrary: the desert climate is beneficial to tuberculosis patients and for that reason many tuberculosis patients moved over there.

What papers?  What conclusions?  Still no links/references/excerpts/quotes.  You'll have to pardon me if I don't take your word on what Reuben Fine said or believed...you're the same guy that said that Sveshnikov could solve chess in 5 years based on an offhand comment he made during an interview.  Fine wrote a comprehensive endgame book, which is sitting on my shelf, but I don't know if his psychiatric career was noteworthy in any way.

You didn't even back up your Utah/tuberculosis link.  Which needs backing up, by the way...because as of 2018, Alaska had the highest tuberculosis rate, Hawaii second, with Utah nowhere in sight.  This stands to reason since the TB vaccine was not as ubiquitous outside the mainland United States.  Now I am guessing you are going to continue to equivocate about what you meant by "prevalence"...there's plenty of info online about TB in Utah, but I don't see anything that backs up your claim.  Which is exactly why you need to back up the things you are saying, because for all we know your cousin Joe told you something he heard on a podcast over the holidays.

There are a number of good chess players in prison, too.  The reasons are obvious enough for any "institution" that limits the comings and goings of its residents.  Does that mean there's a link between chess and criminal behavior?  It's pretty funny that you used the Utah example to show that causality is not always apparent and should be scrutinzed, then violated your own premise by assuming causality (re: mental institution > university) using a single anecdotal occurrence.

I actually agree, ergo the the effort to debunk this line of thought.  We have enough problems with Hollywood's obsession with the myth that genius is akin to madness.  There's no need to perpetuate something that is purely confirmation bias.

"Famous people are more likely to commit suicide!"

"Why do you think that?"

"Because everyone I hear about that has committed suicide is famous..."

Can't even think about chess.

#49

"What papers?"
++ Secondary source is ChessBase some months ago. Primary source linked there. Use google.

"You'll have to pardon me if I don't take your word on what Reuben Fine said"
++ Then go to your library / Amazon for Fine, "The Psychology of the Chess Player" yourself.

"Fine wrote a comprehensive endgame book, which is sitting on my shelf, but I don't know if his psychiatric career was noteworthy in any way."
++ Fine wrote 3 books: BCE, MCO and best games to finance his studies in psychiatry.

"TB vaccine was not as ubiquitous outside the mainland United States."
++ That research was from before the vaccine maybe around 1950. It is an example of a disease and an area being correlated but the area not causing the disease, but beneficial properties of the area attracting the ill.

"mental institution > university"
++ I did not imply causality I just state an anecdotal fact: the institution defeated the university. There is a saying that the lunatic lives one stage above the genius.

I hope you get the help needed, this will be closed topic but passed on to the relevant staff to be in touch for help. 

Thanks