Chess.com bit ratings?????

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Tar_Emosewa

What are the bots? I am 300 rated in 10 min, but 10 minutes against bots and I can beat 1000 elo easily! Is there a formula for actual elo vs what chess.com says? Something’s not right…

Kyobir

Bots can't watch videos about advanced tactics, but players can

Tar_Emosewa
Kyobir wrote:

Bots can't watch videos about advanced tactics, but players can

Fair enough. If they let the bots learn from your play…happy

Martin_Stahl
Tar_Emosewa wrote:

What are the bots? I am 300 rated in 10 min, but 10 minutes against bots and I can beat 1000 elo easily! Is there a formula for actual elo vs what chess.com says? Something’s not right…

Bot ratings are estimates and are overrated at the lower and mid-levels compared to a human at a similar rating, in most cases. They don't get ratings through play.

Kielmog
They don’t get ratings through play?!? I now demand that Martin (the bot) be rotated into the general player pool so we can see his real rating, it’s either 100 or 3500 and we, the people, deserve to know which.
Martin_Stahl
Kielmog wrote:
They don’t get ratings through play?!? I now demand that Martin (the bot) be rotated into the general player pool so we can see his real rating, it’s either 100 or 3500 and we, the people, deserve to know which.

The site moved bots out of the live server into their own section as the former is meant for the member vs member games.
It would be interesting though to have a system where their displayed rating did update periodically based on their performance against members. Though, most people don't play with time controls, so some kind of single player rating would need to be used to generate the estimates.

Kielmog
That’s fair. There was something with the Luka Doncic bot with an updating elo if I remember correctly but I think that was just learning and going up. It would be neat to see bots with “real-time” elo.
Tar_Emosewa
Kielmog wrote:
That’s fair. There was something with the Luka Doncic bot with an updating elo if I remember correctly but I think that was just learning and going up. It would be neat to see bots with “real-time” elo.

Agreed. In real chess, a game can up your ELO rating by 10 points, and bots should have that ability. Then again, Martin would have a negative elo if every loss reduced his rating by ten. The major problem with real time elo is that the bots would have to have different ratings depending on the players. If I (hypothetically) lost to Martin 10 times, his rating might go up by 100, but his rating would be different for players that had won against him 10 times, or players that had never played a bot in their lives. This basically means that for each one of the 100,000,000 players, every single bot would be rated differently. I do still wish chess.com would do that, but there’s a big storage problem, and I’m not really willing to buy them another server.

Martin_Stahl
Kielmog wrote:
That’s fair. There was something with the Luka Doncic bot with an updating elo if I remember correctly but I think that was just learning and going up. It would be neat to see bots with “real-time” elo.

I believe that was actually manual updates go the configuration and not some actual learning.

Tar_Emosewa
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Kielmog wrote:
That’s fair. There was something with the Luka Doncic bot with an updating elo if I remember correctly but I think that was just learning and going up. It would be neat to see bots with “real-time” elo.

I believe that was actually manual updates go the configuration and not some actual learning.

Now I’m mad that I thought he actually learned. Rip-off. Just make a 2500 engine instead, and don’t lie to us about your “ai learning”.