Chess Free app by AI Factory playing strength

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Debistro

This is now my favourite chess playing app. You can get it free for Android, iPhone, etc. Just search "chess" in the app store and it will be among the top apps for chess.

The highest level on my phone is 12, and I find for blitz games, it plays quite decently. It is tough to win on 5/0 time, because you usually end up losing on time (it cannot resign so you need to go all the way), but overall easy to beat on longer time frames.

I am sure most people here have smartphones, so I'd like estimates of its playing strength at the highest level. My guess is 1700-1800.

It is materialistic (will take poisoned material), can be aggresive, may commit speculative sacrifices which can be hard to defend on low time, and often commits blunders, but I put that down to its low ply and search horizon and no pondering.

I like it cos it is neither too difficult (like the impossible Stockfish/Droidfish/Shredder), or too easy....and obviously better than the Windows Chess Titans.

Debistro

Hmm. This app is the most popular chess app with 10 million downloads and I would assume there are many users in chess.com?

Does the lack of replies mean that most people find level 6 or 7 to be tough already? Curious.....

wanmokewan

I've tried it, but at the time it didn't really wow me.

Debistro
 
Latest game shows the weakness of the program - Too materialistic. But to be fair, the program probably can't calculate all the variations that lead to mate (a tough mate for sure). That is what I mean by  - low ply.
Debistro

Still on this app.....

I discovered a bug of the app which is ludicrous in the sense that so many players/users (in the millions it seems) are unable to encounter this bug.

The game was played between a 2398 USCF rated AI of Chessmaster 9000 vs the Level 12. The time control was 5/10 (which doesn't make much difference due to the app being unable to ponder, while the Chessmaster AI can ponder).

Play it through and give me your thoughts.

I think I read somewhere where it says chess engines are generally poor in endgames and that is why they need a tablebase. But still, I never expected that this engine is unable to conduct a basic checkmate. It is strong in tactics, and the overall score between this app vs the 2398 Chessmaster AI is -5 +1 =2

The draw is inclusive of this game above, which it should have won. I noticed it could have won other games as well, but just unable to convert a better position into a win, and then gave up its advantage with its "too tactical" play.....

But I think this game showed up all the weaknesses of this app. I still like playing it as a *hard* punching bag. Laughing

faipalguguss

Level 12 is definitely higher than 1800. Programmers settled it at 2100 elo and i think this is right. I suspect it would win 1 out of 4 games against comp impossible. If i play a comp4 - level 12 game in a no rated game, would it be considered of cheating?

Even level 8 is better than comp hard on this site and chess titan best level, i would say around 1800 elo.

Deeptricky1

I think this app is a good one (at the right price too) to have on your phone or tablet. It plays some interesting aggressive chess. Some moves definitely deserve a '??' but it still is beatable at 5 or 10 minute chess on the medium levels. For the record I lose more than I win!

On it's highest level verus my table top Novag Obsidian it does come unstuck though.

All in all a nice app where you know than you will not always be beaten to a pulp and gives you a chance to express some tactics.

MagAlves

I also use that app, it's very good according to description, and in the new update there's an ELO rating estimate for each level (12 = 2100 in case you wonder), plus it comes with other new features such as tutor, possibility for CPU to offer draw and resign (which was one the biggest flaws before), go check them out!

Firethorn15
Debistro wrote:

Still on this app.....

I discovered a bug of the app which is ludicrous in the sense that so many players/users (in the millions it seems) are unable to encounter this bug.

The game was played between a 2398 USCF rated AI of Chessmaster 9000 vs the Level 12. The time control was 5/10 (which doesn't make much difference due to the app being unable to ponder, while the Chessmaster AI can ponder).

Play it through and give me your thoughts.

 

I think I read somewhere where it says chess engines are generally poor in endgames and that is why they need a tablebase. But still, I never expected that this engine is unable to conduct a basic checkmate. It is strong in tactics, and the overall score between this app vs the 2398 Chessmaster AI is -5 +1 =2

The draw is inclusive of this game above, which it should have won. I noticed it could have won other games as well, but just unable to convert a better position into a win, and then gave up its advantage with its "too tactical" play.....

But I think this game showed up all the weaknesses of this app. I still like playing it as a *hard* punching bag.

This was a typical problem with earlier computers - the machine does not see mate in 1 as better than mate in 2 (or mate in 13 for that matter), so plays the first move of the mate in x which it sees, then has the same thing the following move. Thus it is never able to mate in positions with multiple forced mates (such as K+R vs K)!

dogacres

I have a uscf floor of 1900. My score against level 12, A1 at 60 min per side is 8 wins  8 losses and 3 draws which it gives me a rating of 2100 but I conclude that 1900 would be more accurate. Its endgame play could be weaker and it is  materialistic which makes it vulnerable to sacrifices. Dogacres

blehboo007
Debistro wrote:
 
Latest game shows the weakness of the program - Too materialistic. But to be fair, the program probably can't calculate all the variations that lead to mate (a tough mate for sure). That is what I mean by  - low ply.

Did you play the game longer to show how the game behaves in a materialistic manner ? Because in after the 36th move , there could've been a checkmate by moving the bishop to e3. I'm really bad at seeing ahead of the game as all of a sudden the payer(cpu or human) will play something I'm totally not expecting and Bam, I  start losing. So incase you did play the pawn purposedly , can you tell me how exactly you thought ahead ?

Thanks in Advance happy.png

libyantiger

hi this is my you  you tube  game  aginst him i  am 1700  blitz  chess.com  and  was  able to win  at  least 2 to 3  out of  10 games  and some  times  even 4  so    i   think   it is   not less than  1900 in  blitz  but in longer time control it is much weaker   and   end  game play  is  terrible  it  never  activates his   king at  all  in end  game

libyantiger

hi this is my you  you tube  game  aginst him i  am 1700  blitz  chess.com  and  was  able to win  at  least 2 to 3  out of  10 games  and some  times  even 4  so    i   think   it is   not less than  1900 in  blitz  but in longer time control it is much weaker   and   end  game play  is  terrible  it  never  activates his   king at  all  in end  game

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn94QPIbaTI&t=24s

Dr-A-Shalaby

Anyone knows how to export its saved games to another engine for analysis and learning?

exwizard4391

I just finished Playing A1 Factory's Free chess at 2100 level against Shredder 5 at 2800 level. Shredder won as black, but it took it over an hour and a half and more than 53 moves before A1 resigned. (Yes it will resign on an Amazon fire 10 HD)

championparth24

hi guys I just joined right now