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  • #41
    Jaes wrote:

    ...a phenomenal amount of physical talent and skill needed to perform at top levels.  Breathing, heart rate, trigger discipline, etc need to be mastered.  These are characteristics that don't seem applicable in chess so IMO it's an apples-and-oranges situation when considering the "sport-ness" of either.

    Whether it's a sport or not, I don't favor chess at the Olympics; it just doesn't seem to fit the games. 


    We can use your own arguments to make the comparison apples-to-apples. What you mentioned are all techniques. They are physical but nothing close to "phenomenal." In high level chess, players must have the stamina and constitution to last through the long matches and the whole tournament, to concentrate throughout the matches and to manage their time all at the same time.

    BTW, is rifle shooting under time pressure?

    Also, neither event could produce atheletes that would be described as "stronger, higher, faster" in the physical sense. Wink

    Probably the deciding question on why chess is not part of the regular Olympics is: Did the ancient Greeks have chess (or a similar event) in their roster of the original olympic games?

  • #42
    chessroboto wrote

    Probably the deciding question on why chess is not part of the regular Olympics is: Did the ancient Greeks have chess (or a similar event) in their roster of the original olympic games?


    Obviously they didn't have chess, or even a closely related game, since chess is much more recent, and even it's predecessor, chatrang, was many centuries too late. But there are many events in the modern olympics that have no close analog in the ancient Greek olympics (eg all swimming, gymnastics, cycling - a lot of events needed to wait for the equipment to be invented Smile).

  • #43

    In high school I tried to get chess recognized as a sport, and succeeded after we won state.  We got a pep rally (the cheerleaders probably had no idea what was going on) and played a live bullet game projected on a screen in front of the school.

  • #44
    melekraukar wrote:

    In high school I tried to get chess recognized as a sport, and succeeded after we won state.  We got a pep rally (the cheerleaders probably had no idea what was going on) and played a live bullet game projected on a screen in front of the school.


    Did you get "lettermen's" jackets?

  • #45
    melekraukar wrote:

    In high school I tried to get chess recognized as a sport, and succeeded after we won state. 


    Is chess still recognized as a sport in your high school or did it get demoted after you graduated?

  • #46
    Elroch wrote:
    chessroboto wrote

    Probably the deciding question on why chess is not part of the regular Olympics is: Did the ancient Greeks have chess (or a similar event) in their roster of the original olympic games?


    Obviously they didn't have chess. But there are many events in the modern olympics that have no close analog in the ancient Greek olympics - a lot of events needed to wait for the equipment to be invented.


    I imagine that the Olympic Committee's argument would then be: What does Chess represent in real life that tested a athelete's/warrior's "Strength, Speed or jumping/throwing Height?"

    My guess is that these three physical charactereistics have expanded a fourth characteristic over the years to include: "Better." This covers the other events that are won through accuracy and performance such as archery and rifle shooting along with non-combative sports such as figure skating and diving.

    They're just careful not to let every sport/game be part of the official Olympic events.

  • #47

    It has come to my attention that the Winter Olympics is significantly less traditional than the Summer version. (they have snowboarding after all.) So I suggest we invent a variation called alpine chess. You and your opponent ski/skate/luge to the chessboard, the first one there gets white and whatever time you have left on the clock is what you play with. Or you just have to sit outside in the snow while playing, whatever.

  • #48
    chessroboto wrote:
    melekraukar wrote:

    In high school I tried to get chess recognized as a sport, and succeeded after we won state. 


    Is chess still recognized as a sport in your high school or did it get demoted after you graduated?


    I'm not actually sure. I'll have to ask the current team members.

  • #49

    BTW, is golf an official Summer Olympic sport?

    If not, why?

    Also, if golf isn't an olympic event, why is Curling an official Winter Olympic event?

  • #50
    chessroboto wrote:

    BTW, is golf an official Summer Olympic sport?

    If not, why?

    Also, if golf isn't an olympic event, why is Curling an official Winter Olympic event?


    Because it is awesome! The rocks, the brooms, the Scotch- I mean Scots...

  • #51

    stephen hawking can play chess.  i think that limits the argument of the physicality of it. 

  • #52

    Let my first post here on the forum be a blunt one.

    I think if something is a game or sport is defined by how much time and effort the player/athlete is putting into it. It is also defined by the goals of the player. To me, soccer is a game, when I am sure lots of people find it a sport. And to me playing on the top of my (very limited) knowledge, working to improve myself, reading books, training, wanting to become better... No chess ain't no game to me.

  • #53

    In Dutch we have a word btw for sports that aren't physical. It's called 'denksport' and that would translate to: thinking sport.

  • #54
    Wilbert_78 wrote:

    In Dutch we have a word btw for sports that aren't physical. It's called 'denksport' and that would translate to: thinking sport.


    That's neat.  Goes along with what  Blaise Pascal said, "Chess is the gymnasium of the mind.  

     

  • #55
    Crosspinner wrote:
    Wilbert_78 wrote:

    In Dutch we have a word btw for sports that aren't physical. It's called 'denksport' and that would translate to: thinking sport.


     

    That's neat.  Goes along with what  Blaise Pascal said, "Chess is the gymnasium of the mind.  

     


    we have a word for it in english, too.  we call them games. 

  • #56

    If anyone declines the fact that chess is a sport just tell them or ask them why there are soo much stuf for chess

  • #57

    In that sport takes typically a combination of coordination, aerobic capacity, and physical strength and some of the biggest sports stars reside on the far left of the bell curve, how can chess not be considered a sport?  BTW, if you are trying to come up with an answer, the answer is "quite easily."  

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  • #59

    both have eyes, so a nerd must be a jock.

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