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lfPatriotGames
usbspeakers wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
usbspeakers wrote:

No, chess is not a sport. It's not even a game. It's a computation.

Chess is solved. A sport cannot be solved. A game can be solved but at that point it stops being a game and becomes a computation.

Why can't a sport be solved? Just because something is solvable doesn't mean everyone can do it. Maybe I'm not understanding your position very well.

In bowling, wouldn't "solving" it be a perfect score of 300? Wouldn't it be impossible to have a result better than that? Or a shooting sport, wouldn't solving it be a perfect bullseye? I would imagine solutions would only apply to some sports, but it seems possible at least.

I never said a solved game could be played perfectly by everyone. I said in a game of no variance, like chess, where there is a defined best move for any given board state, that game is solved. That doesn't mean chess is easy or simple or anyone can master it.

Physical sports all have variance, which are the physical conditions the game is played in, as well as the training of the human performing the sport. A game with sufficient variance cannot be "solved" because there is not a fixed number of conditions that can be solved for. In chess, there is.

How do you know there is a fixed number of conditions for solving chess? What if no number of conditions can solve it?

At least in bowling, and certain sports where perfection is possible, I would imagine even a slightly less than perfect performance could still result in a perfect score, or a "solution". A bowler who throws a fraction of a millimeter off of perfection would probably still get a strike. Probably the same with darts or other aiming/target sports.

I guess I'm just not understanding how perfection, or a solution, prevents something from being a sport. If a baseball pitcher has a problem (a batter trying to hit the ball) wouldn't the solution be to throw the ball so it's always a strike? It might be really hard, but I'll bet it's been done.

DiogenesDue
usbspeakers wrote:

I never said a solved game could be played perfectly by everyone. I said in a game of no variance, like chess, where there is a defined best move for any given board state, that game is solved. That doesn't mean chess is easy or simple or anyone can master it.

Physical sports all have variance, which are the physical conditions the game is played in, as well as the training of the human performing the sport. A game with sufficient variance cannot be "solved" because there is not a fixed number of conditions that can be solved for. In chess, there is.

You have this backwards. You don't know the defined best move for any game state until the game is solved.

Physical "variance" is not likely to beat out 10^44 unique chess positions. For every possible way a human body can move, there are trillions upon trillions of chess positions for each one.

It doesn't matter if chess is not infinite, if the "fixed number of conditions" are so many that a storage array the size of galaxies cannot store them.

Awildcupcake

Yes, chess is an official sport: )

mhaysam

what this group about ?????

SriyoTheGreat
usbspeakers wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
usbspeakers wrote:

No, chess is not a sport. It's not even a game. It's a computation.

Chess is solved. A sport cannot be solved. A game can be solved but at that point it stops being a game and becomes a computation.

Why can't a sport be solved? Just because something is solvable doesn't mean everyone can do it. Maybe I'm not understanding your position very well.

In bowling, wouldn't "solving" it be a perfect score of 300? Wouldn't it be impossible to have a result better than that? Or a shooting sport, wouldn't solving it be a perfect bullseye? I would imagine solutions would only apply to some sports, but it seems possible at least.

I never said a solved game could be played perfectly by everyone. I said in a game of no variance, like chess, where there is a defined best move for any given board state, that game is solved. That doesn't mean chess is easy or simple or anyone can master it.

Physical sports all have variance, which are the physical conditions the game is played in, as well as the training of the human performing the sport. A game with sufficient variance cannot be "solved" because there is not a fixed number of conditions that can be solved for. In chess, there is.

Chess isn't solved. Let's take a simple game - monopoly. Now for every possible "position" a computer dedicated to finance will calculate the risk and probability of each and every move, be it building a house or rolling the dice, but you can't say monopoly is solved can you? Back to chess, in a solved game, a person will know who will win, black or white. In tic tac toe, a solved game, we know that the game will end in a draw. But do we have proof that in chess, the perfect a.k.a. solved game, will end in a draw?

mhaysam

ooo hooooo how big it is

who read that

Reasura
SriyogeshS wrote:
usbspeakers wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
usbspeakers wrote:

No, chess is not a sport. It's not even a game. It's a computation.

Chess is solved. A sport cannot be solved. A game can be solved but at that point it stops being a game and becomes a computation.

Why can't a sport be solved? Just because something is solvable doesn't mean everyone can do it. Maybe I'm not understanding your position very well.

In bowling, wouldn't "solving" it be a perfect score of 300? Wouldn't it be impossible to have a result better than that? Or a shooting sport, wouldn't solving it be a perfect bullseye? I would imagine solutions would only apply to some sports, but it seems possible at least.

I never said a solved game could be played perfectly by everyone. I said in a game of no variance, like chess, where there is a defined best move for any given board state, that game is solved. That doesn't mean chess is easy or simple or anyone can master it.

Physical sports all have variance, which are the physical conditions the game is played in, as well as the training of the human performing the sport. A game with sufficient variance cannot be "solved" because there is not a fixed number of conditions that can be solved for. In chess, there is.

Chess isn't solved. Let's take a simple game - monopoly. Now for every possible "position" a computer dedicated to finance will calculate the risk and probability of each and every move, be it building a house or rolling the dice, but you can't say monopoly is solved can you? Back to chess, in a solved game, a person will know who will win, black or white. In tic tac toe, a solved game, we know that the game will end in a draw. But do we have proof that in chess, the perfect a.k.a. solved game, will end in a draw?

The Jigsaw pfp kinda scares me lmao.

SriyoTheGreat

(lol, someone dared me to change my pfp to smth scary, I'll change back tomorrow)

mhaysam

ohohohohoh pleas write small

so maybe some one read it

Kavinu_bro

Yea thats true

Hell_keeper_of_peace
Kyobir wrote:
Hell_keeper_of_peace wrote:
SriyogeshS wrote:

Chess is a sport, just not olympic worthy

hey hey,don't forget there are international tournaments like fide, Olympic is for sports that use physical energy

Yes, chess requires physical energy.

ok i know but not much ok

Kyobir
Hell_keeper_of_peace wrote:
Kyobir wrote:
Hell_keeper_of_peace wrote:
SriyogeshS wrote:

Chess is a sport, just not olympic worthy

hey hey,don't forget there are international tournaments like fide, Olympic is for sports that use physical energy

Yes, chess requires physical energy.

ok i know but not much ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFee4xB_P1I

jerferr

definitely yes! I have always wondered if wall pilates is a sport. Have you heard about it? More details here https://betterme.world/articles/does-wall-pilates-work/ Every activity that is mental or physical = sport

chekagain

definitely

chou3aibboucham

Yes according to science u birn calories whike playing chess

BlueHen86

Yes

lfPatriotGames
chou3aibboucham wrote:

Yes according to science u birn calories whike playing chess

Is there any human activity that doesn't burn calories? In other words, is there anything that a person can do that isn't a sport?

Kyobir
lfPatriotGames wrote:
chou3aibboucham wrote:

Yes according to science u birn calories whike playing chess

Is there any human activity that doesn't burn calories? In other words, is there anything that a person can do that isn't a sport?

The only action that doesn't burn calories is being dead.

lfPatriotGames
Kyobir wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
chou3aibboucham wrote:

Yes according to science u birn calories whike playing chess

Is there any human activity that doesn't burn calories? In other words, is there anything that a person can do that isn't a sport?

The only action that doesn't burn calories is being dead.

If someone can find a way to make chess a sport, I'll bet they could also find a way to make being dead a sport.

Wits-end

I guess that’s where the term “dead last” came from.