Chess Sacrifice. ...??

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sammynouri wrote:

the Bishop Sac was bad, the queen sac was ridiculous. The bishop sac was bad because you didn't have any lines to effectively attack his king, which clearly was why you sacced the bishop apparently. Had your knight been on g5 it may have been an effective sacrifice. Also don't bother calculating more than one variation (unless its OTB chess of course) just use intuition and make sure you have compensation for the piece.

Dude shutup.  The bishop sac was a normal greek gift sac.  Instead of putting the queen on the h file maybe put it on g3.  Most players though don't see 8 to 10 moves ahead.  I am above 2000 otb and I can see 3 to 4 moves if I'm luck and the position is fairly forced.

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Yeah. ...Bishop sac would b fine if I would've my pawn on e5 which is essential 4 mating net. ...I guess such position is more likely in French advance system....I was playing d4 QGD line perhaps that's why didn't worked out 4 me.

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2200ismygoal wrote:
sammynouri wrote:

the Bishop Sac was bad, the queen sac was ridiculous. The bishop sac was bad because you didn't have any lines to effectively attack his king, which clearly was why you sacced the bishop apparently. Had your knight been on g5 it may have been an effective sacrifice. Also don't bother calculating more than one variation (unless its OTB chess of course) just use intuition and make sure you have compensation for the piece.

Dude shutup.  The bishop sac was a normal greek gift sac.  Instead of putting the queen on the h file maybe put it on g3.  Most players though don't see 8 to 10 moves ahead.  I am above 2000 otb and I can see 3 to 4 moves if I'm luck and the position is fairly forced.

I said one variation not one move if thats what you meant, as for the bishop sac I personally think he should have prepared it a bit better by organising his pieces, similar to what Tal occasionaly did. I take back what I said about the queen, I just noticed it had no escape squares, so it was forced not a sac.

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Tal was legendary because although many analysts agree some of his sacrifices were a teeny weeny bit unsound he knew how to take the initiative and show people a good time.

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There are many types of sacrifices and it depends on the positions whether you need concrete calculation or just intition.

The sacrifices which need razor sharp calculation often result in fascinating combinations which computer easily finds and also suggests such sacrifices.

However, most of the sacrifices at top level chess are positional ones and doesn't lead to an immediate win. Such sacrifices were an integral part of Tal's chess.

Most of such sacrifices would never be suggested by computers and if you give them to defend from opposite side, they would find best moves and prove the sac. wrong.

Although most of the positional sacs. would be easily crushed by computers. But, against humans its extremely effective. Even today, in computer era, if Tal would play his natural sacs. against a GM, the GM would easily crumble under pressure.

Such sacs. have one very important similarity, the mobility of the pieces.If you have 5 developed pieces and opponent has only 1, then you should have no problem sacrificing one piece to open the position and attack the king even if you haven't calculated enough.

Even if such positions are theoretically lost for you, only computers can find best defences to prove the sac. wrong, it's extremely difficult(almost impossible) for humans to do the same.

That's why top player's games are more instructive than top computer's.

Let me give you some examples.

 

Here's another

I don't know the full game of this but only the black player's name- Kononenka D.

Here's another game which shows this feature of sacrifice.





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That last one was beautiful.

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Yes....those are really wonderful examples along with explanation.....enjoyed a lot.....I have downloaded d games pgn of M. Tal n R. Spielmann. ...but quite diffcult 2 understand idea behind some sacrifice.....yeah but quite nice games

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One of the most important factors that compels you to sac. material is activity of your pieces(as I said before) and/or poor position of opponent's king.

Almost everytime when they have advantage in activity(i.e. mobility) strong players' sixth sense automatically triggers and they know that it's the right time to play like Tal. Their sac. loses material but their activity multiplies which makes the game interesting.

This advantage in mobility and the opponent's poor piece placement is the spider sense which NM NM-Dale told to us.

In the Hort-Alburt game just see the difference in the activity of black's pieces and white's pieces after black's 19th move.

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Hmmm....you put it in very simple way now I come 2 know real idea....weak coordination is d base of sacrifice. ..our active piece provide good opportunity 2 open up position of opponent if they have cramped position

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For studying more about chess sacrifices, I would suggest you a classic book: "The Art of Sacrifice in Chess" by Rudolf Spielmann.

You can download it here. The notation is in old format, but I think that's not a big problem.

Also, you can download the "cbv" file of this book here.

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Botvinnik once remarked "If Tal offers a sacrifice take then think. If I offer a sacrifice think then take. If Petrosian offers a sacrifice don't dare take."
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Sacrificing the opponents pieces is often a good strategy too.

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Pale Dale Fail. Dale Pale Fail. Fail Pale Dale. Fail Dale Pale.

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You sound like a writer L_coolmint.

A modern rhyming haiku that sounded like.

Perhaps you could write a book called the Coolmint Gambit.

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Dale wrote:

You sound like a writer L_coolmint.

A modern rhyming haiku that sounded like.

Perhaps you could write a book called the Coolmint Gambit.

I have already wrote a book called the McDonald's Gambit: Extended Variation.

 

This gambit is the one I used to beat Carlsen 58.5 of 59 games (I allowed a draw to be polite).

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Oh yeah that was a hot topic.

With coffee and fire n such although the coffee was only hot for a while I guess since it was on cooling off duty.

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Dale wrote:

Oh yeah that was a hot topic.

With coffee and fire n such although the coffee was only hot for a while I guess since it was on cooling off duty.

You try drinking something that is only 10 degree farenheit below boiling.