Chess will never be solved, here's why

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tygxc

@8330

"they do work" ++ Yes, they do, and they give the right answers

"11=0.007" ++ No, I did not say that. I said:

  • Chess is a draw
  • Of the 10^44 legal positions 10^17 are relevant to weakly solving Chess.
  • 3 cloud engines of 10^9 nodes/s jockeyed by humans can weakly solve Chess in 5 years
  • ICCF WC Finals draws are > 99% certain to be perfect games with optimal play from both sides
  • At 17 s on a 10^9 nodes/s engine the 4 top engine moves contain the table base exact move with 1 error in 10^20 positions
MARattigan
tygxc wrote:

@8330

"they do work" ++ Yes, they do, and they give the right answers

"11=0.007" ++ No, I did not say that.

But your calculations did.

 I said:

  • Chess is a draw
  • Of the 10^44 legal positions 10^17 are relevant to weakly solving Chess.
  • 3 cloud engines of 10^9 nodes/s jockeyed by humans can weakly solve Chess in 5 years
  • ICCF WC Finals draws are > 99% certain to be perfect games with optimal play from both sides
  • At 17 s on a 10^9 nodes/s engine the 4 top engine moves contain the table base exact move with 1 error in 10^20 positions

Pretty Polly, pretty Polly, pretty Polly.

 

fastwalker

I have a question. Can your precious logic, which you all venerate so blindly, ever smell a flower - or LOVE?

DIDN'T. THINK SO.

Silent_Tears
fastwalker wrote:

I have a question. Can your precious logic, which you all venerate so blindly, ever smell a flower - or LOVE?

DIDN'T. THINK SO.

“Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.” -V 🌹  

Cristian_not_found

Chess is a complex game with billions of different moves thats why even Magnus isn t playing like a computer

MARattigan
fastwalker wrote:

I have a question. Can your precious logic, which you all venerate so blindly, ever smell a flower - or LOVE?

DIDN'T. THINK SO.

Probably not, Wouldn't be relevant to the topic.

We do that sort of thing in our spare time.

MARattigan
Optimissed wrote:

Excuse me if I don't reply for several hours. I really need to work hard.

Please take as long as you want.

Jack_Kelly123

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/user/193832315.6bfc2963.78x78o.0f977f3bd26b@3x.jpeg

fastwalker
Silent_Tears wrote:
fastwalker wrote:

I have a question. Can your precious logic, which you all venerate so blindly, ever smell a flower - or LOVE?

DIDN'T. THINK SO.

“Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.” -V 🌹  

 

Bah! Now hark, a bumbling barefoot blindside, cast with brazen and bilious bombast betwixt the bellicose brain-bandying of these Boolean belligerents. Hark, and beware - becalm this Ben-besetting blizzard of banal barking, before my garrulous inclination becomes the bereft and booming bane of blandation, and bark and barker both are banished beyond the blithe bedpan of their bunk-bloated Baronies, to bemoan, with bourgeoning bewilderment, the black Balrog boon of a buried, biding, belittling bite. - Bblitz

MARattigan

Punctuation is altogether harder.

DiogenesDue
fastwalker wrote:
Silent_Tears wrote:
fastwalker wrote:

I have a question. Can your precious logic, which you all venerate so blindly, ever smell a flower - or LOVE?

DIDN'T. THINK SO.

“Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.” -V 🌹  

 

Bah! Now hark, a bumbling barefoot blindside, cast with brazen and bilious bombast betwixt the bellicose brain-bandying of these Boolean belligerents. Hark, and beware - becalm this Ben-besetting blizzard of banal barking, before my garrulous inclination becomes the bereft and booming bane of blandation, and bark and barker both are banished beyond the blithe bedpan of their bunk-bloated Baronies, to bemoan, with bourgeoning bewilderment, the black Balrog boon of a buried, biding, belittling bite. - B

This twisted twaddle turns temperate threads tumultuous. 

MARattigan

Don't know about "tumultuous", but with @fatswaller, who claims to be an Ozzie, coming over all Oscar Wilde and @Silent_Tears breaking out into purple prose, it doesn't do a lot to keep the thread on topic. 

Elroch
fastwalker wrote:

I have a question. Can your precious logic, which you all venerate so blindly, ever smell a flower - or LOVE?

DIDN'T. THINK SO.

I thought I would ask the trending AI, ChatGPT:

Elroch - What does a flower smell like?
ChatGPT - The smell of a flower can vary depending on the species of flower. Some flowers have a sweet fragrance, while others may have a more earthy or musky scent. The scent can also be influenced by factors such as the age of the flower, the weather, and the time of day.

Elroch - What is the best smelling flower? And the worst?
ChatGPT - The best smelling flower is subjective and can vary greatly from person to person. Some of the most popular flowers known for their fragrance include roses, jasmine, lavender, gardenias, and freesias.

Similarly, the worst smelling flower is also subjective and can depend on individual preferences. Some flowers, such as the corpse flower (Amorphophallus titanum) or the skunk cabbage (Lysichiton americanus), are known for having an unpleasant odor.

Elroch - Shall I compare you to a summer's rose?
ChatGPT - As an AI language model, I do not have emotions or physical sensations, so I cannot be compared to a flower or anything else in that sense. But I'm here to assist you with any information or questions you have. How may I help you today?

MARattigan

Elroch - You can straighten out my Shakespeare.

Elroch
MARattigan wrote:

Elroch - You can straighten out my Shakespeare.

Maybe this earlier discussion will help:

Me - "Can you translate Hamlet's soliloquy that starts 'To be or not to be' into Danish?"
ChatGPT - "At være eller ikke at være, det er spørgsmålet: Skal vi tage til takke med at lide alle livets slinger eller tage kampen op mod dem ved at tage vores eget liv? Åh, hvor tærende og bittert det er at tænke på, at man skal lægge sin hærdede hånd i en ukendt fremtid, men at frygten for det, vi ikke ved, gør livet så uudholdeligt, at det ville være et dristigt spring fra en bro for at slippe af med den uvished og angst, der plager os."

Me - "Can you translate it back into English, but as a comedy version?"
ChatGPT - "To be or not to be, that is the question: Should we accept all the miserable things life has to offer or fight against them by ending it all? Oh, how annoying and bitter it is to think about, having to put up with all the ups and downs of life, but the fear of the unknown future makes it unbearable. It would be a bold move to jump off a bridge to escape the uncertainty and anxiety that plagues us."

DiogenesDue
Elroch wrote:
MARattigan wrote:

Elroch - You can straighten out my Shakespeare.

Maybe this earlier discussion will help:

Me - "Can you translate Hamlet's soliloquy that starts 'To be or not to be' into Danish?"
ChatGPT - "At være eller ikke at være, det er spørgsmålet: Skal vi tage til takke med at lide alle livets slinger eller tage kampen op mod dem ved at tage vores eget liv? Åh, hvor tærende og bittert det er at tænke på, at man skal lægge sin hærdede hånd i en ukendt fremtid, men at frygten for det, vi ikke ved, gør livet så uudholdeligt, at det ville være et dristigt spring fra en bro for at slippe af med den uvished og angst, der plager os."

Me - "Can you translate it back into English, but as a comedy version?"
ChatGPT - "To be or not to be, that is the question: Should we accept all the miserable things life has to offer or fight against them by ending it all? Oh, how annoying and bitter it is to think about, having to put up with all the ups and downs of life, but the fear of the unknown future makes it unbearable. It would be a bold move to jump off a bridge to escape the uncertainty and anxiety that plagues us."

ChatGPT is going to shatter the illusion that human beings are more than biomechanical machines reacting to their environment with predictable formulaic responses wink.png.

Intellectual_26

Removing one and just one of the same piece or pawn for each side, should almost surely end in a draw.

Such as this;

Or this;

 

MARattigan
Elroch wrote:
MARattigan wrote:

Elroch - You can straighten out my Shakespeare.

Maybe this earlier discussion will help:

Me - "Can you translate Hamlet's soliloquy that starts 'To be or not to be' into Danish?"
ChatGPT - "At være eller ikke at være, det er spørgsmålet: Skal vi tage til takke med at lide alle livets slinger eller tage kampen op mod dem ved at tage vores eget liv? Åh, hvor tærende og bittert det er at tænke på, at man skal lægge sin hærdede hånd i en ukendt fremtid, men at frygten for det, vi ikke ved, gør livet så uudholdeligt, at det ville være et dristigt spring fra en bro for at slippe af med den uvished og angst, der plager os."

Me - "Can you translate it back into English, but as a comedy version?"
ChatGPT - "To be or not to be, that is the question: Should we accept all the miserable things life has to offer or fight against them by ending it all? Oh, how annoying and bitter it is to think about, having to put up with all the ups and downs of life, but the fear of the unknown future makes it unbearable. It would be a bold move to jump off a bridge to escape the uncertainty and anxiety that plagues us."

Impressive, but, from memory, it seems to be missing quite a lot. There was something about switchng off metal solenoids I think.

DiogenesDue
Or this? Oops.

Seems like 1 tempo is winning here.  I guess tempi must actually be variable in value?  Oh no!  

Intellectual_26
btickler wrote:
Or this? Oops.

Seems like 1 tempo is winning here.  I guess tempi must actually be variable in value?  Oh no!  

Nope, that is not just One.