And I want to post a short version of what I posted earlier ...
If its going to take 500 years to solve from 8 pieces on the board to 9 pieces and then 25,000 years to get to 10 pieces (which tygxc wants to call 'tracing')
and so on with another 500 multiplier each time then its easy to see that one would never ever get to 32 pieces before the sun engulfs the earth in about 7 billion years or whatever. (earth's orbit decays very slightly but its progressing)
Chess will never be solved, here's why


There are black balls and white balls. You pull out x balls and they were all white. How many more do you have to look at to know there are only white balls left? A kindly perspective would be that he was checking to see how many people can read. Just childish rubbish though.
Thank you for the views of our resident rather dull-witted narcissist, who never posts substantial reasoning about anything, and is always blinded to discussion of the facts by his bloated and very delicate ego.
Maybe he meant "before you know all the remaining balls are black".
No, I meant EXACTLY what I said, as usual.
Even so, a trick question which doesn't relate to chess because chess has a strong element of determinism.
For anyone capable of understanding (feel free to skip it, @Optimissed) the colours correspond to the results of games (eg @tygxc) , which are well viewed as random samples. For example, if two players play a match and one wins 10 games, you can deduce that player is very likely the better player, would very likely win most games against the second player (both uncertain statistical knowledge), but you would be entirely misguided to conclude that he would win every game against the second player in a second match.
Here the results of their first match correspond to balls drawn, and the results in a later match correspond to other balls in the urn. It's not difficult, but I believe many people could develop more clarity of thought.
Since he's made many such feeble attempts before, I'm starting to think his mind's going. I suppose it could be interpreted as a joke though.
If my attempts to share understanding are judged by success at doing so with you they are indeed "feeble". But, with all due respect, I cannot be blamed for that. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, as they say.

Elroch constantly outclasses 'O'.
But also - almost everybody does.
Its become more obvious recently.
Even some of the worst people on the site do better than the O-person.

I mean saying everyone's better than you/someone is pretty narcissistic
You know narcissism is based off of insecurity
Aka most narcissists actually hate themselves
You haven't defined narcissism properly.
Look it up so you know the meaning.
Narcissists hate themselves?
Hardly.
Plus they vary.
So you've made a syllogism bc. You'll make many.
Anyway - Elroch's post about the N balls was very good.
Like his post about 'perfect information' doesn't mean something can be solved.

Sigh narcissists are naturally insecure
Sigh again I wasn't talking about the meaning
Sigh I'm takin psychology classes rn I know this (not a lot but at least this much )
Naturally insecure yes - and O is obviously very insecure.
But that doesn't mean 'hating oneself'.
You might have his tendency to credentialize though ...
Are you going to be narcissistic yourself because you're in 'psychology classes'?
If you're that bad now - you'll be worse when you get your degree.
(EE has a five year psychology degree ... Lol)
But good news - you'll be in better shape than O.
That's virtually guaranteed.

@9727
"statistics isn't solid proof 100% of the time" ++ Last year I had to use statistics,
i.e. a Poisson distribution, as there were some decisive games in the ICCF WC Finals.
This year 105 draws out of 105 games, no statistics needed.
With all due respect, this is the sort of error good students learn quite early not to make.
Let's think of it like my example with drawing balls from an urn. You say that since you have drawn 105 white balls, every further ball that you draw will be white. Most perceptive people (maybe you now) will understand that is not correct, but let's try to make it simpler.
If you (misguidedly) believe all future games would definitely be a draw if you have had 105 draws then, logically, there must have been some precise number of games after which you became certain, having previously not been entirely sure. Let this number of games be N. Then it had to be the case that after N-1 consecutive draws, you could not be certain all future results would be draws, but after one more draw you became certain that all future results would be draws. This is patently ridiculous. Intuitively, the difference between any positive probability and zero is enormous, and can't be bridged with inductive evidence.
The only thing that makes sense here is that if you start with any uncertainty in the results, that uncertainty will always persist. It gets smaller and smaller, but not ever leaping to zero.
I recommend studying Bayesian reasoning to anyone who wants to understand how to deal with uncertainty in the real world. It is indeed the "logic of science".

I have very little interest in you, no interest in such vague concepts as exactly how thick you are, and none of my posts address this. Technical discussions are not about getting points against others, they are about improving understanding.
I discuss facts, and as part of this I have pointed out factual inaccuracies in your posts on many occasions (such as the incorrect use of standard terminology, important to technical discussions).
Presumably (based on previous examples) on reading the last sentence you descended into a blazing rage and your overiding instinct to protect your ego is driving you to find a way to lash out, probably including some vacuous (i.e. lacking in any specific content) insults. Maybe this is as natural as the barking of a dog, but it is not how others of us act. I am never motivated in this way.
Perhaps you can learn something from that, but I am not over-optimistic.

@9727
"statistics isn't solid proof 100% of the time" ++ Last year I had to use statistics,
i.e. a Poisson distribution, as there were some decisive games in the ICCF WC Finals.
This year 105 draws out of 105 games, no statistics needed.
With all due respect, this is the sort of error good students learn quite early not to make.
Let's think of it like my example with drawing balls from an urn. You say that since you have drawn 105 white balls, every further ball that you draw will be white. Most perceptive people (maybe you now) will understand that is not correct, but let's try to make it simpler.
If you (misguidedly) believe all future games would definitely be a draw if you have had 105 draws then, logically, there must have been some precise number of games after which you became certain, having previously not been entirely sure. Let this number of games be N. Then it had to be the case that after N-1 consecutive draws, you could not be certain all future results would be draws, but after one more draw you became certain that all future results would be draws. This is patently ridiculous. Intuitively, the difference between any positive probability and zero is enormous, and can't be bridged with inductive evidence.
The only thing that makes sense here is that if you start with any uncertainty in the results, that uncertainty will always persist. It gets smaller and smaller, but not ever leaping to zero.
I recommend studying Bayesian reasoning to anyone who wants to understand how to deal with uncertainty in the real world. It is indeed the "logic of science".
That is an excellent post.
And its not about me.
Will Elroch's great post be wasted on tygxc?
I don't know.
It will be 'wasted' on O - but that's okay.
But it won't be wasted on others.
Regarding tygxc though - and his 'resistance' and Elroch's wonderful patience (while still being efficient)
Although Elroch is right - tygxc's 'persistence and refusal to agree' is still doing a kind of job here - providing a function.

BC I didn't call you a retard.
And it seems you want a double standard as to who can criticize.
Something like O does. He's intensely hypocritical.
And I've caught him calling Dio and Elroch 'troll' in forums where or when they're absent. But he's almost kind of 'afraid' of Dio these days!
Worried. Lol!
BC - Suggestion: Keep studying in those psychology classes.
If you try hard enough - you will eventually learn.
Instead of 'sigh' and mental kneejerking....
That's why you're there right? To learn?
Or are you in those classes just so you can 'strut' later?
Won't help you if that's the case.
And remember - I didn't force you to read my posts nor to be here.
You choose to read and then complain? More and more like 'O'.

@Opt, a minor correction, I don't actually "try" to create any impression and how I "seem" is simply a consequence of what I post.
I do try to make my posts absolutely correct, precise, informative. I recognise there's always room for improvement in how I communicate - in a forum it is important for others to understand what you write rather than merely being correct.

You're certainly trying hard to be nonchalantly superior [snip]
Again, I am not "trying" at all.
Difficult advice: discuss the facts and give up the willy-waving.

""plausible doesnt equal proof"
++ Try to come up with a plausible error distribution that explains 105 draws in 105 games."
i dont have to. its on you to prove that none such exists. this is basic proof LMFAO. your math education is clearly not past highschool, and you certainly didnt remember what was in highschool math.
i love how tygxc continues to prattle off the appeal to ignorance fallacy.

I think tygxc has the drunnig cruger effect and evidence bias
its fully dunning kruger.

It isn't that mathematicians are disagreeing that it is a draw(some are some arnt ) it is that we do not have ACCURATE/UNBIASED evidence yet
So chess is most likely a draw but not proven
The mathmatitions are saying that you have no proof
yes, exactly. tygxc doesnt understand what a mathematical proof entails. he thinks his heuristics (statistical estimates) are "proof", when anyone with even a little bit of mathematical knowledge has quickly pointed out that thats not the case.

He also is bizarrely claiming that the burden of proof is on others to provide a counterexample.
this isn't even math proof standards anymore. it's just fallacious to begin with. its known as an "appeal to ignorance" fallacy.
I did actually convince him (along with other people ) that blitz chess might be good because of it's competitive nature even tho otb turnements are all rapid and that playing only rapid isn't the only way to get good at chess (rapid is a way though )
So he does change his opinion occasionally
Even if he has the druning crougar effect
That's optimistic!
Here's a question for @tygxc and anyone else who could improve their understanding of the relationship between empirical evidence and general knowledge.
Suppose you have a large urn that you know contains a huge number of balls that can be black or white and have been thoroughly mixed up. You take N balls out of it without looking. All of the balls are white. How big does N have to be before you know that all the balls in the urn are white?
Good post!