Chess will never be solved, here's why

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I beat you with my post by about 0.2 seconds.

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@11564

"when Karpov and Kasparov had a long drawing run"
++ The strongest humans in over the board play at 3 minutes/move are at average 1 error/game.
The strongest engines at 3 minutes/move are lower.
The strongest engines at 5 days/move are even lower.
ICCF WC Finalists with engines at 5 days/move came closer and closer to 0 error/game.
ICCF WC Finalists with engines at 5 days/move are now at 0 error/game.

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@11564

"they had two different players"
++ The ICCF WC Finals has 17 different players.

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Is your new plan to fill the forum with irrelevant uncertainty and count that as a proof, @tygxc?

Hint: go learn what a proof is.

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tygxc wrote:

@11560

"Almost is not a weak solution almost is still almost"
++ The 107 ICCF WC Finals draws form at least part of a weak solution of Chess.
Not yet complete, but redundant: more than 1 way to draw.

they form 1*10^-15 of it. what about the other 10^17.

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@11566

"how about black blunders instead"
++ You cannot make an error in a lost position.

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tygxc wrote:

@11564

"they had two different players"
++ The ICCF WC Finals has 17 different players.

It was a race with one horse with 17 fleas on its back.

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Elroch wrote:

Is your new plan to fill the forum with irrelevant uncertainty and count that as a proof, @tygxc?

Hint: go learn what a proof is.

that's why i was trying to get tygxc to reveal his math education. when I was 10 i had a better understanding of proof than tygxc does.

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tygxc wrote:

@11566

"how about black blunders instead"
++ You cannot make an error in a lost position.

Black blunders2??

White blunders and is losing 2??

Black blunders back and is losing 2??

White blunders and is losing 2 ??

Black spots the winning move with no errors 0??

Total of 8

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@11571

Each game has like 80 positions. For each position they calculated 5 days, considering many alternative positions. A game lasts 2 years.
'I have two servers, each capable of calculating more than 90 million positions a second.'
https://new.uschess.org/edwards-32nd-ICCF-ch 
2 servers/finalist * 17 finalists * 90*10^6 positions/s/server * 3600 s/h * 24 h/d * 365 d/a * 2 a = 1.9 * 10^17 positions

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Proofs are not judged on how much electricity they used to make them. They are judged on rigor.

Hilariously, you say that you are able to play perfect chess as long as you are assisted by an engine that blunders all the time in tablebase positions and a human that has had a good run with his engine and would blunder more often in the same positions.

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@11573

"17 fleas"
Insulting ICCF (grand)masters as fleas shows you know nothing about correspondence play.
You should really sign up for an ICCF WC qualifier and get beaten so you understand.

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@11574

"when I was 10" ++ Last year?

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tygxc wrote:

@11571

Each game has like 80 positions. For each position they calculated 5 days, considering many alternative positions. A game lasts 2 years.
'I have two servers, each capable of calculating more than 90 million positions a second.'
https://new.uschess.org/edwards-32nd-ICCF-ch 
2 servers/finalist * 17 finalists * 90*10^6 positions/s/server * 3600 s/h * 24 h/d * 365 d/a * 2 a = 1.9 * 10^17 positions

its a node, not a full positional calculation

maybe if you actually READ the articles you cited you would have known that.

but ive only been pointing that out for months.

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tygxc wrote:

@11574

"when I was 10" ++ Last year?

imagine being called out on your logical fallacies by an 11-year-old.

why arent you addressing the 4 basic facts that i keep reminding you that you have wrong? (there are of course, many others, but i notice that these four you dont even acknowledge)

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tygxc wrote:

@11574

"when I was 10" ++ Last year?

Womp womp

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MEGACHE3SE wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@11574

"when I was 10" ++ Last year?

imagine being called out on your logical fallacies by an 11-year-old.

why arent you addressing the 4 basic facts that i keep reminding you that you have wrong?

Even worse a 16 year old

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tygxc wrote:

@11573

"17 fleas"
Insulting ICCF (grand)masters as fleas shows you know nothing about correspondence play.
You should really sign up for an ICCF WC qualifier and get beaten so you understand.

elroch you made the mistake of using an analogy with abstract reasoning with tygxc. tygxc cant follow that.

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MEGACHE3SE wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@11573

"17 fleas"
Insulting ICCF (grand)masters as fleas shows you know nothing about correspondence play.
You should really sign up for an ICCF WC qualifier and get beaten so you understand.

elroch you made the mistake of using an analogy with abstract reasoning with tygxc. tygxc cant follow that.

Since Elroch nor many others here cannot follow me when I make an abstract argument, I don't think that can be used to criticise tygxc! tongue.png

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MEGACHE3SE wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@11574

"when I was 10" ++ Last year?

imagine being called out on your logical fallacies by an 11-year-old.

why arent you addressing the 4 basic facts that i keep reminding you that you have wrong? (there are of course, many others, but i notice that these four you dont even acknowledge)

I did note those four facts, since either you or Elroch (does it matter?) were kind enough to tell me that they were there and supposed to be facts. I didn't think they looked like facts. I should have thought that in a fact veracity league they would probably come way lower than "chess is drawn with good play on both sides".