Clarity! Right after a move :-(

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JuicyJ72

On more than one occasion I have made a move, and almost instantly I recognize what will happen either more clearly or more deeply than when I was thinking about the move.  It seems like the active thinking part of the brain is latching on to an idea too strongly and as soon as it lets go something else kicks in.

Has anyone else experienced this?  What's the cure? Walk away from the board for a minute before moving?

DonnieDarko1980

It might also be a visualization problem - if the piece is physically standing in the new square, it's easier to grasp the situation than if you have to imagine the piece on the new square (and imagine the old square without the piece).

This used to be a big problem for me - I tried to visualize what could happen after a certain move, I said to myself: This piece is protected by the bishop on c3 (for example), and not thinking about that exactly that bishop was the one I was about to move (and after the move of course would be no longer protecting what it was protecting right now :)

lurchlurch

Hallo Österreichder. Ich bin ein Beyer. LolLaughing

DonnieDarko1980

@ lurchlurch: Servus nach Bayern :)

Ich sehe gerade, Du hast einige Beiträge auf Deutsch geschrieben und keine Antworten bekommen, was kein Wunder ist, da hier wohl nur wenige Deutsch können - ich würde vorschlagen, dass Du auf Englisch schreibst, wenn Dich jeder verstehen soll ...

I've noticed that you posted some messages in German and didn't get any answers - no surprise since I'd guess there aren't many German speakers here - I'd suggest you write in English if you want everybody to understand you ...

JuicyJ72
Catalyst_Kh wrote:

It is well known problem, in my opinion the best cure is to watch Mauricio's course. Post #19 in that topic.


Is Maurice's video series good?  Have you seen all of it?

The introduction talks about a single move and single square.  My errors right now are slightly more complex.  I will look ahead two moves and then see an extra move right after I am done.

JuicyJ72
DonnieDarko1980 wrote:

It might also be a visualization problem - if the piece is physically standing in the new square, it's easier to grasp the situation than if you have to imagine the piece on the new square (and imagine the old square without the piece).

This used to be a big problem for me - I tried to visualize what could happen after a certain move, I said to myself: This piece is protected by the bishop on c3 (for example), and not thinking about that exactly that bishop was the one I was about to move (and after the move of course would be no longer protecting what it was protecting right now :)


Yes this certainly happens to me as well.  This attack should work after move here check he goes there I come here and voila.  Not realizing that the first capture freed up a different square or escape route.  How does on practice deeper visualization?

B-Dizzzle

This happened to me. My mistake made the game into a draw.... I think one just needs to take their time and think about the conquences of their move fully.

jason17

Yea I know exactly what you mean. Time and time again, I will watch my brain click into a new gear and suddenly see a larger sequence, and consequently better moves just as soon as I let get go of a piece or click submit for CC.

It is a really weird phenomenon. Playing a mundane move, when you could have forced a winning exchange, or not realizing you are on the losing end of a tactic until you move the piece. But its all so crystal clear once that piece goes down, and the instantaneous nature of this knowledge is what is so frustrating in my opinion.

JuicyJ72

Yes, the instantaneousness of the awareness is what makes it really odd.

JuicyJ72
Catalyst_Kh wrote:

Yes Jorg, it is exactly what you are asking, i watched it all, very profound course. The example is as simple as possible for advertising purposes, but the scale of the idea is much bigger, you will be surprised. But you don't have to look all of it, the main idea for you current porblem is to train the evaluation of each move(ply) starting from drawbacks first, then you will spot most blunders, even 3 moves ahead, that is only thing you need to gain. Because when you do the opposite - obsessed only by benefits of the move, then you don't see the drawbacks until you replaced the piece (made the move already), exactly as Donnie explained.


Ahh, now I remember a study that found that higher level chess players focused a lot more on the flaws of their moves than lower rated players.  I forget what is called but it was discussed here a year or so ago.