Classical Time Control Is Dead
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Obviously, with the results from the recent World Chess Championship match, Magnus Carlsen, the greatest Chess player the world has ever known, has been unable to defeat a low rated 2700 player in classical time control in match play. Gone are the glory days of Lasker, Capablanca, Karpov and Kasparov. Adjournments? Ha, ha, ha. The Chess World needs to reassess the time control situation, considering present day training methods, where top players possessing virtual photographic chess memory ability are using chess engines far beyond the skill level of any player, to prepare their games.
Games may go to 45/45 or 90/30 format in the future. I think many of us are right though: classical chess is on the downhill slope of being the featured format in international tournaments and matches. In a way, this is beneficial. Entertainment value, etc as well as a different style of prep for shorter games. But it just doesn't feel right that classical time controls are probably going away for the most part.
It is sad, of course, but it's just a whole different thing nowadays, compared to the eras of the past masters, when there were still entire systems being discovered, like the Marshall gambit, etc. I think Chess has a great future as a mind competition, and if shortening the top level time control gets more people at least watching the games, I mean, it can't hurt having the average person start being a fan and a practicer of reasonable, rational and practicle thought. In order for the human race, collectively, to advance, if that is even possible, the average person needs to get beyond belief systems that are based on emotional fiction. I'm hoping for the best.
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Apr 14, 2020
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#7
Chess should be played as it was originally intended. It is not a spectator sport. People will always admire a true Grand Master, regardless of whether they watched a tournament on TV or not. Part of the allure for chess is the great deal of time it can take for a Grand Master to move a piece, followed by a lightning fast move. The whole idea of time is to fit a generation that grew up on instant gratification. Maybe it would be good for these younger folks to learn the real meaning of patience.
Apr 14, 2020
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#8
Classical games should live forever. This is just fantastic for brain storming with time.
Chess is a strategy game, not a pattern recognition game. For that reason, I don't think rapid and blitz game should be rated at all: it's impossible to make proper strategy in speed chess. For the ADHD Twitch children, Blitz will always be there; but that is not true chess, and will very likely not be seen as such. Fischer stopped playing because Classical time controls were too short then; and now they're even shorter.
By the way, try Correspondence (in this site called 'Daily') Chess. Really, it's amazing; you can play it in your spare time much better than stupid bullets.
Thelaretus wrote:
Chess is a strategy game, not a pattern recognition game.
Pattern recognition is fundamental to playing the game. Here's a more in-depth look -
https://www.chess.com/article/view/pattern-recognition-fact-or-fiction
the_chess_zebra wrote:
Chess should be played as it was originally intended. It is not a spectator sport.
I like long games. Online, at least 40 minutes. Face to face, at least 1 hour.
However, I think all art should be spectator arts. Movies. Kung Fu movies. There are thousands of them. It gets people interested, and it gets them into the "dojos". Once in the dojo, they realize it will take a very long time to be able to do what the people on TV do.
It think an art should be natural, as natural as can be. I think time control should be 1 hour. That is the natural pace of regular people in real life.
American Football is incredibly natural. (I don't watch American Football). It has:
running, wrestling, javelin, obstacle course, all in a natural war game in a natural time frame.
Nov 5, 2020
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#12
long_quach wrote:
However, I think all art should be spectator arts. Movies. Kung Fu movies. There are thousands of them. It gets people interested, and it gets them into the "dojos". Once in the dojo, they realize it will take a very long time to be able to do what the people on TV do.
It think an art should be natural, as natural as can be. I think time control should be 1 hour. That is the natural pace of regular people in real life.
I Agree, 1 hour is long enough to plan, but not too long so that it gets grating.
Nov 5, 2020
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#13
Ray-Gun wrote:
No-one knows how chess was originally intended to be played
Chess was played for centuries before chess clocks were invented. I doubt most of them were blitz games.
long_quach wrote:
American Football is incredibly natural. (I don't watch American Football). It has:
running, wrestling, javelin, obstacle course, all in a natural war game in a natural time frame.
The javelin in the Olympics is very un-natural. They throw the javelin and they hit . . . nothing!
In American Football, you have to throw the ball to a moving target and the the target has to catch it.
Once I watched a Super Bowl projected live in a movie theater. It was great. It was like watching a movie.
Epiloque wrote:
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:
American Football is incredibly natural. (I don't watch American Football). It has:
running, wrestling, javelin, obstacle course, all in a natural war game in a natural time frame.
The javelin in the Olympics is very un-natural. They throw the javelin and they hit . . . nothing!
In American Football, you have to throw the ball to a moving target and the the target has to catch it.
Once I watched a Super Bowl projected live in a movie theater. It was great. It was like watching a movie.
There is a solution to that:
Play football with javelins
The haven't done that since the Peloponnesian War.
Nov 5, 2020
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#16
Classical should die. It’s boring and drawn too often. Computers now play the best chess, so even the highest quality human games aren’t as well-played. Humans are good enough so that even rapid games now are generally as accurately-played as classical games used to be. Five hour draws stink.
There are so many draws in classical that the matches are ultimately decided by rapid and blitz at the highest levels, so just do away with the middleman.
There is no down side to eliminating classical chess other than annoying the dinosaurs. Let it rain meteors.
There are so many draws in classical that the matches are ultimately decided by rapid and blitz at the highest levels, so just do away with the middleman.
There is no down side to eliminating classical chess other than annoying the dinosaurs. Let it rain meteors.
Nov 5, 2020
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#18
The topic may be four years old, but it’s more relevant now than ever. The pandemic has shown us that watching chess can be entertaining.
Watching a classical match is like watching election returns—it’s long stretches of nothing happening punctuated and tedious analysis. It’s horrible.
The trade off for the only marginally higher quality games is draws, boredom, and unwatchability: small benefit at a tremendous cost. Kill it with fire.
Watching a classical match is like watching election returns—it’s long stretches of nothing happening punctuated and tedious analysis. It’s horrible.
The trade off for the only marginally higher quality games is draws, boredom, and unwatchability: small benefit at a tremendous cost. Kill it with fire.
Nov 5, 2020
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#19
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
The topic may be four years old, but it’s more relevant now than ever. The pandemic has shown us that watching chess can be entertaining.
Watching a classical match is like watching election returns—it’s long stretches of nothing happening punctuated and tedious analysis. It’s horrible.
The trade off for the only marginally higher quality games is draws, boredom, and unwatchability: small benefit at a tremendous cost. Kill it with fire.
Watching a classical match is like watching election returns—it’s long stretches of nothing happening punctuated and tedious analysis. It’s horrible.
The trade off for the only marginally higher quality games is draws, boredom, and unwatchability: small benefit at a tremendous cost. Kill it with fire.
As a Brit I respectfully disagree with your comparisons to politics. Nothing is as boring as listening to our Government talk about Covid.
Nov 5, 2020
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#20
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
Computers now play the best chess, so even the highest quality human games aren’t as well-played. Humans are good enough so that even rapid games now are generally as accurately-played as classical games used to be.
Absolutely not. Whenever I watch a top level rapid game on that youtube channel, I'm like, "how are these people so high rated?" Then I realize it's not classical. Then I go watch something else.