Comment if you agree that Magnus and fabi shouldn’t have drawn - Chess Forums - Page 5

ed1975

Nov 27, 2018

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#81

Dark_Army wrote:

It's David vs Goliath.

Erm, that's not the best analogy since David was supposedly much smaller and weaker than Goliath. Elsewhere you point out (rightly) that they are almost exactly equal in strength.

Scottrf

Nov 27, 2018

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#82

Dark_Army wrote:

staggerlee wrote:

Magnus shamed himself and hurt the game of chess with this game 12. If he's the GOAT as all these sad fan-boys keep saying, he could have won that position with the huge time advantage he had. His legacy is tarnished. Pretty bad title defense agains Karjakin two years ago, 12 draws this year. No way is that kind of performance GOAT worthy.

What a bunch of rubbish! Magnus want's to win on HIS TERMS. Winning on time is not how he want's to win. He want's to legitimately beat him by resignation and that's exactly what's going to happen. Who cares about the draws. When the best players in the world to head-to-head, there's going to be a lot of draws. It's David vs Goliath. Look how close their FIDE ratings are. They're nearly tied. Being the GOAT isn't necessarily about winning; it's about not losing. So far, Fabi hasn't been able to prevent that from happening.

That's nonsense. It's not a moral crusade, he just doesn't have faith in his play anymore.

Ty39wastakenlol

Nov 27, 2018

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#83

When do the tie breaks start?

Scottrf

Nov 27, 2018

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#84

15:00 GMT 28/11/2018

Ty39wastakenlol

Nov 27, 2018

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#85

Shoot I’ll be at school

Scottrf

Nov 27, 2018

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#86

Tigerfunx wrote:

Shoot I’ll be at school

Noob.

Ty39wastakenlol

Nov 27, 2018

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#87

Just a kid not a noob

stiggling

Nov 27, 2018

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#88

Kid means noob at life

Ty39wastakenlol

Nov 27, 2018

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#89

K

Dark_Army

Nov 27, 2018

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#90

ed1975 wrote:

Dark_Army wrote:

It's David vs Goliath.

Erm, that's not the best analogy since David was supposedly much smaller and weaker than Goliath. Elsewhere you point out (rightly) that they are almost exactly equal in strength.

I've mixed it up with some other story. Which one am I thinking about where the two warriors cannot defeat each other?

Dark_Army

Nov 27, 2018

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#91

Scottrf wrote:

Dark_Army wrote:

staggerlee wrote:

Magnus shamed himself and hurt the game of chess with this game 12. If he's the GOAT as all these sad fan-boys keep saying, he could have won that position with the huge time advantage he had. His legacy is tarnished. Pretty bad title defense agains Karjakin two years ago, 12 draws this year. No way is that kind of performance GOAT worthy.

What a bunch of rubbish! Magnus want's to win on HIS TERMS. Winning on time is not how he want's to win. He want's to legitimately beat him by resignation and that's exactly what's going to happen. Who cares about the draws. When the best players in the world to head-to-head, there's going to be a lot of draws. It's David vs Goliath. Look how close their FIDE ratings are. They're nearly tied. Being the GOAT isn't necessarily about winning; it's about not losing. So far, Fabi hasn't been able to prevent that from happening.

That's nonsense. It's not a moral crusade, he just doesn't have faith in his play anymore.

More rubbish. Magnus's definition of winning is different than what you think. A highly competitive person would rather draw than take home a weak win.

It's kinda like a golf tournament where the runner up ends up taking first place because the winner signed an incorrect score card. Magnus doesn't want to win by time controls. He want't to legitimately beat him.

Scottrf

Nov 27, 2018

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#92

Dark_Army wrote:

More rubbish. Magnus's definition of winning is different than what you think. A highly competitive person would rather draw than take home a weak win.

It's clear you've never played, or watched, sport.

There would be nothing weak about him winning this position. He just had the wrong mentality, and doesn't trust himself anymore.

If you think top level sportspeople care more about a moral crusade than a world title then your judgement is terrible. Even Nakamura said it's nonsense.

Ty39wastakenlol

Nov 27, 2018

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#93

Expected

Dark_Army

Nov 27, 2018

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#94

Scottrf wrote:

Dark_Army wrote:

More rubbish. Magnus's definition of winning is different than what you think. A highly competitive person would rather draw than take home a weak win.

It's clear you've never played, or watched, sport.

There would be nothing weak about him winning this position. He just had the wrong mentality, and doesn't trust himself anymore.

It's weak if he wins on time. Again, that's not how Magnus want's to win and it has nothing to do with the amount of trust in his abilities. It's part of the strategy for not losing. If there is a clear cut way to win, he would probably take it but he doesn't need to. He just needs to not lose.

Look, if the world champion is to lose his title, he MUST lose a game. Taking a draw is just one step closer to not losing.

“I wasn’t necessarily going for the maximum,” says Carlsen, essentially admitting that he was content with a draw after move 20. “I just wanted a position that was completely safe, (but) where I could put some pressure. If a draw hadn’t been a satisfactory result, obviously I would have approached it differently.”

stiggling

Nov 27, 2018

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#95

Dark_Army wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Dark_Army wrote:

More rubbish. Magnus's definition of winning is different than what you think. A highly competitive person would rather draw than take home a weak win.

It's clear you've never played, or watched, sport.

There would be nothing weak about him winning this position. He just had the wrong mentality, and doesn't trust himself anymore.

It's weak if he wins on time. Again, that's not how Magnus want's to win and it has nothing to do with the amount of trust in his abilities. It's part of the strategy for not losing. If there is a clear cut way to win, he would probably take it but he doesn't need to. He just needs to not lose.

Look, if the world champion is to lose his title, he MUST lose a game. Taking a draw is just one step closer to not losing.

“I wasn’t necessarily going for the maximum,” says Carlsen, essentially admitting that he was content with a draw after move 20. “I just wanted a position that was completely safe, (but) where I could put some pressure. If a draw hadn’t been a satisfactory result, obviously I would have approached it differently.”

It has nothing to do with the clock. Carlsen (and everyone else) knows he's favored in rapid and blitz.

In any case, you say leveraging the clock would be a weak way to win? That's very naive.

lfPatriotGames

Nov 27, 2018

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#96

Dark_Army wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Dark_Army wrote:

More rubbish. Magnus's definition of winning is different than what you think. A highly competitive person would rather draw than take home a weak win.

It's clear you've never played, or watched, sport.

There would be nothing weak about him winning this position. He just had the wrong mentality, and doesn't trust himself anymore.

It's weak if he wins on time. Again, that's not how Magnus want's to win and it has nothing to do with the amount of trust in his abilities. It's part of the strategy for not losing. If there is a clear cut way to win, he would probably take it but he doesn't need to. He just needs to not lose.

Look, if the world champion is to lose his title, he MUST lose a game. Taking a draw is just one step closer to not losing.

“I wasn’t necessarily going for the maximum,” says Carlsen, essentially admitting that he was content with a draw after move 20. “I just wanted a position that was completely safe, (but) where I could put some pressure. If a draw hadn’t been a satisfactory result, obviously I would have approached it differently.”

I dont know about other sports, but in golf there is a very old tradition. The easiest way to lose is by trying not to.

CheckmatePhantasms

Nov 27, 2018

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#97

rtbiscuits

Nov 27, 2018

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#98

Magnus should have played on for the win.

Dark_Army

Nov 28, 2018

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#99

stiggling wrote:

Dark_Army wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Dark_Army wrote:

More rubbish. Magnus's definition of winning is different than what you think. A highly competitive person would rather draw than take home a weak win.

It's clear you've never played, or watched, sport.

There would be nothing weak about him winning this position. He just had the wrong mentality, and doesn't trust himself anymore.

It's weak if he wins on time. Again, that's not how Magnus want's to win and it has nothing to do with the amount of trust in his abilities. It's part of the strategy for not losing. If there is a clear cut way to win, he would probably take it but he doesn't need to. He just needs to not lose.

Look, if the world champion is to lose his title, he MUST lose a game. Taking a draw is just one step closer to not losing.

“I wasn’t necessarily going for the maximum,” says Carlsen, essentially admitting that he was content with a draw after move 20. “I just wanted a position that was completely safe, (but) where I could put some pressure. If a draw hadn’t been a satisfactory result, obviously I would have approached it differently.”

It has nothing to do with the clock. Carlsen (and everyone else) knows he's favored in rapid and blitz.

In any case, you say leveraging the clock would be a weak way to win? That's very naive.

So Magnus prefers rapid and blitz but offers a draw in a game that will actually lead to fast play? Fabi would have to start moving fast as his time dwindles away. If this is what Magnus prefers, then why the draw?

Seems to me that the game was headed exactly where Magnus prefers it to be.....according to you.

Like I said, it's more about not losing than anything else. I do however believe that Magnus is not interested in winning on time. He want's to win on his own terms and flagging his opponent isn't part of it. If it were, he surely would have continued.