Could you beat Morphy if he gave you knight odds?

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fabelhaft

Morphy's advantage is that he was very used to playing odds games, so I think he would overperform compared to a modern player of the same strength. Much depends on being well prepared, for example Chapman had been a talented player in his youth (and later got an Elo higher than 2300), and when he got the chance to play the odds match against Kasparov he called it the chance of a lifetime and prepared for quite a while with GM help, and played lots of odds games to get the feel for it. In the end he managed a decent 1.5-2.5 in the two pawns up match.

Fischer once said he could give Gaprindashvili knight odds, but Tal said that a knight is a knight, and I don't think it would have been difficult for the women's World Champion to beat Fischer fairly easily with such odds.

BigKingBud

I think Morphy really wanted to be a women's shoe salesman.  I think he was originally reincarnated as Andy Warhol, and then he was spiritually reincarnated as Al Bundy.  So, let's give the old fella a break, that's a tough life.

ponz111

When I was at my best and before I became senile, I think I could have beat Morphy in a match if he had been transported in time. [at no odds]

Morphy was the best of his time but [of course] chess theory was not very well developed during that time.

patzermike

LMAO! I see a 1640 live chess.com rating. What was your peak FIDE or USCF rating? If your peak was less than IM strength, don't bother fantasizing that your modern knowledge of chess theory would enable you to give Morphy a challenge.

ponz111 wrote:

When I was at my best and before I became senile, I think I could have beat Morphy in a match if he had been transported in time. [at no odds]

Morphy was the best of his time but [of course] chess theory was not very well developed during that time.

ponz111
patzermike wrote:

LMAO! I see a 1640 live chess.com rating. What was your peak FIDE or USCF rating? If your peak was less than IM strength, don't bother fantasizing that your modern knowledge of chess theory would enable you to give Morphy a challenge.

ponz111 wrote:

When I was at my best and before I became senile, I think I could have beat Morphy in a match if he had been transported in time. [at no odds]

Morphy was the best of his time but [of course] chess theory was not very well developed during that time.

Laugh all you want but those very low 1600 ratings on chess.com were not mine. They appeared on my account and I did not know how?

Later, I found that when my older son was visiting me, he played the games which resulted in those low ratings.

The last year I played USCF over the board, I had a USCF performance rating of 2438.  After that my chess improved quite a bit.  

eciruam

The most sensible/intelligent/informative thread.

TheOldReb
ponz111 wrote:
patzermike wrote:

LMAO! I see a 1640 live chess.com rating. What was your peak FIDE or USCF rating? If your peak was less than IM strength, don't bother fantasizing that your modern knowledge of chess theory would enable you to give Morphy a challenge.

ponz111 wrote:

When I was at my best and before I became senile, I think I could have beat Morphy in a match if he had been transported in time. [at no odds]

Morphy was the best of his time but [of course] chess theory was not very well developed during that time.

Laugh all you want but those very low 1600 ratings on chess.com were not mine. They appeared on my account and I did not know how?

Later, I found that when my older son was visiting me, he played the games which resulted in those low ratings.

The last year I played USCF over the board, I had a USCF performance rating of 2438.  After that my chess improved quite a bit.  

You really shouldnt make such claims if you cannot prove them because people on the net can , and do , make all kinds of bogus claims . This means noone is going to believe anything anyone claims on the net without proof . 

patzermike

Ok then. You could give Morphy a serious fight.

ponz111 wrote:

patzermike wrote:

LMAO! I see a 1640 live chess.com rating. What was your peak FIDE or USCF rating? If your peak was less than IM strength, don't bother fantasizing that your modern knowledge of chess theory would enable you to give Morphy a challenge.

ponz111 wrote:

When I was at my best and before I became senile, I think I could have beat Morphy in a match if he had been transported in time. [at no odds]

Morphy was the best of his time but [of course] chess theory was not very well developed during that time.

Laugh all you want but those very low 1600 ratings on chess.com were not mine. They appeared on my account and I did not know how?

Later, I found that when my older son was visiting me, he played the games which resulted in those low ratings.

The last year I played USCF over the board, I had a USCF performance rating of 2438.  After that my chess improved quite a bit.  

TheOldReb
PaulEChess wrote:

There's a David Taylor from IL who is a high rated Expert. No one else with that name rated higher...

That is ponz ... 

ponz111

I mean for one whole year in which I played three tournaments. USCF Performance Rating of 2438. 

16 games   13 wins  1 loss  2 draws. [one of my wins was vs a GM]

I repeat while my recorded rating is only 2188, I met the requirements to be a USCF master.

After, my final USCF game in that year, I learned a lot more chess and [naturally] became better.

ponz111
PaulEChess wrote:
Reb wrote:
PaulEChess wrote:

There's a David Taylor from IL who is a high rated Expert. No one else with that name rated higher...

That is ponz ... 

Yup. 2100+ is very respectable. Making up a 2400 rating is not.

I did not make up anything. My last recorded rating was 2188. However after making that rating I played in two USCF tournaments and won both with a score of 4 wins and no losses and no draws in both tournaments [8 straight wins after 2188]

Also I said "performance rating" not "rating"

I was disabled while playing over the board USCF during my last year.

So, I turned to postal and  then correspondence chess and won the 7th USA Championship with a score of 13 wins  no losses and 1 draw in the Finals. 

ponz111

Reb is always or often putting me down because I am so liberal. He was calling me "pornz" on Open Discussion.

Scottrf

Seems a bit stupid to criticise a '1600' live rating when it's bullet and the person in question has won 5 of 5 games...

I guess using their brain isn't high on the list of these people's favourite activities.

ponz111

Open Discussion one can discuss things not normally discussed or even allowed in other groups.  There is religion, science, politics, current events, and a very very nice series of photos which are added to often.

Anyone can join Open Discussion.  

TheOldReb
ponz111 wrote:

I mean for one whole year in which I played three tournaments. USCF Performance Rating of 2438. 

16 games   13 wins  1 loss  2 draws. [one of my wins was vs a GM]

I repeat while my recorded rating is only 2188, I met the requirements to be a USCF master.

After, my final USCF game in that year, I learned a lot more chess and [naturally] became better.

If this were true they would have given you the title . I find it hard to believe that the same TD would just happen to not turn in 2 tourney reports in which you had such a great result .  There should have been such an outcry over this that he would have lost his TD capabilities I believe , did he get in any trouble ? 

SmyslovFan

Can I use performance ratings to claim that I'm +2500? I had at least two tournaments where I had +2500 performance ratings! Maybe I'm really GM strength. 

On a serious note, I think I will petition USCF to see if they will grant me a "CM" title based on those results. 

TheOldReb
LuftWaffles wrote:

I see:

-A bunch of raving religious lunatics.

-Cats.


Not sure what I expected.

The cats thread is great if you love cats , and I do .  Another of the best threads there is picture of the day , check it out .  Whats wrong with raving religious lunatics ?  Cool

batgirl

It's the raving secular lunatics I'm watching out for. Give them a Knight and you'll never see it again.

ponz111
Reb wrote:
ponz111 wrote:

I mean for one whole year in which I played three tournaments. USCF Performance Rating of 2438. 

16 games   13 wins  1 loss  2 draws. [one of my wins was vs a GM]

I repeat while my recorded rating is only 2188, I met the requirements to be a USCF master.

After, my final USCF game in that year, I learned a lot more chess and [naturally] became better.

If this were true they would have given you the title . I find it hard to believe that the same TD would just happen to not turn in 2 tourney reports in which you had such a great result .  There should have been such an outcry over this that he would have lost his TD capabilities I believe , did he get in any trouble ? 

You are always on my case. I played in two "tornados" of 4 games each and won all my games.  After that I had to quit USCF over the board because of a disability.

After those two tournaments I  waited for my Chess Life to see my new master rating.  nothing.  same rating 2188.  Then waited another month..nothing. same rating 2188.  Then one more month, nothing--same 2188. 

It took me several months to find the tournament director.

He stated that in addition to being the tournament director he played in both tournaments and did poorly in both tournaments.

Thus, he said, he did not send in the results to USCF!!!

By this point I was more interested in correspondence chess and did not pursue it any farther.

of the high rated players I played that year were

Andrew Karklins  2415   draw

Arthur Bisguier   grandmaster   I won

Lawrence Day  2287   I lost

Steve Tennant  2263  draw

Andrew Sandrin  2220  I won

In addition to those games I won 11 out of 11.

SmyslovFan

Ponz, I have several old USCF rating supplements. What years were you active?