Did they get rid of the rule of, if a player gets banned for cheating you dont get your points back?

Just wondering, its been a while since I got points back from a user banned for cheating.

I got a bunch of points recently for that.

Nope they didn't. Why would they do that? It doesn't make any sense at all.

The rules are in place but they are complicated. E.g. if you are not among the last 100 victims they don’t refund you. Today I played rapid with at least 6 cheaters, I got back points only from one of them.

You are refunded your points, but it doesn't really matter. Ratings are constructed so that you always play to your average. Getting your points refunded might make you feel better, but in the long run it will make exactly zero difference in your rating.

Nikki, the problem, especially in the rapid pool, is that there are just way too many cheaters. If they don’t refund those they caught, then the rating will be well over 100 points behind the actual capabilities (in particular in higher ratings since there aren’t many real players to safely play).

Along with everyone else. The purpose the rating is to match you to close competition.

#4 wow, is that true? Can you show me where you found that info. What a dumb way to deal with cheating. Unbelievable.

I think it actually does matter at the higher levels of rapid as you get cheaters every single game, and this talk of average thing isn't logic considering that losing rating points to cheaters impacts your average. 

#8 I think I saw something like that in cheating forum. There are many details, the outcome: most likely you won’t be refunded.

you have a skewed view of rapid. U2100 most everyone is legit.

I don't think they even ban cheaters anymore... I played 2 whose accs are still active, 1 a while ago and the other somewhat recently and they were clearly cheating... new acc, hung pieces like <1000 first game then rematch and started playing pretty much all best moves (when not it was excellent) in complicated positions and making combinations that would make Tal  jealous and always averaging 5-7 secs per move... dudes would take the same amount of time to find a Morphy-like tactic or to recapture a queen when it was the only legal move....   chess.com is garbage when it comes to banning cheaters, I don't even care about my rating points (I played them like 3 or 4 times to generate more evidence and to see how stockfish would obliterate me, which was worthless)  but knowing that they are still out there cheating honest-chess-enthusiasts and going unpunished is one of the reasons why I don't pay for premium anymore 

@B1ZMARC Most of 2200+ players, even many of 2100+ players, clearly use engine assistance. E.g. in a sharp 10 min game my opponent after 3min of thinking played a3?! Couldn’t see it, and only 2-3 moves later I’ve understood the reason. That was too deep to be discovered in 3 min. 3 min was for setting up the engine + examining what happens.

Or in another game, in R+Q and pawn endgames, one of the most difficult endgames (any side at any moment can turn the table), my opponent played incredibly well maneuvers, for example when my passed c pawn was about to queen he played Rb2?! I said he went crazy, he may want to mate me by putting queen at back rank but clearly he couldn’t since I’ll sac a Q at any critical moment and then queen the pawn and that’s unstoppable. My opponent managed to mate me eventually by deep maneuvers and mate didn’t happen in the back rank but in the 7th rank. Deep and precise calculation: R and Q have many optional squares to go, choosing the right one in a short time is not human level, we have seen GMs struggle to win Q+R and pawns against lone Q and pawns, then these cheaters shine. Similarly I lost another game with two rooks + pawn against a Q + pawns, incredible Queen maneuvers in short time.

The above three (that you can easily find in my recent games) are examples of cheaters that are not easy to stop: they play most of the game their own moves, in some critical moments when engine evaluation changes big, they use engine. They feel they played themselves, since they played more than 90% of moves, chess.com thinks they played themselves because they have inaccuracies and mistakes. But it’s obvious they cheat otherwise a 2200 player couldn’t be that precise at those difficult positions.


There are other cases that are obvious and chess.com doesn’t do anything. One of my yesterday opponents played every single move with 5-10 seconds delay. No deep thought but no fast move or not even any fast recapture. But all moves were deep and this player is still playing freely in the site (that’s just obvious cheater).

I meant @B1ZMARK. All in chess.com apparently recently encourages cheaters.

 

You only have had two opponents closed in the past couple of days. Only one in rapid. So it makes sense you only received a refund on one

 

That is blatantly false.

September reports are not out, but over 25,000 accounts were closed in July and over 22,000 in August.

 

https://www.chess.com/article/view/chesscom-month-in-review-july-august-2021

 

That said, this type of discussion isn't allowed in the main forums. 

 

@CrusaderKing1, the last or your opponents closed for FPV were around a a month ago.