do you also think it´s unfair that women get titled easier?
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Anonymous27165
Apr 17, 2023
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#101
Its a strange psychological idea that women are dumber than men which is ridiculous. It may be because women aren’t as invested in chess so Fide lowered regulations for them to earn their titles because they are too busy raising a family, have a job, etc. while men who have too much time on their hands have time to study and excel at chess idk. Hou Yifan could probably have been a 2800 if she stuck with chess but she decided to stay as a college teacher which helps society more than chess does
About every week wee get one of these long thread, where some incel is whining about women's titles like it's the biggest injustice in the history of the world. Pathetic and funny at the same time
Apr 17, 2023
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#103
Laskersnephew wrote:
About every week wee get one of these long thread, where some incel is whining about women's titles like it's the biggest injustice in the history of the world. Pathetic and funny at the same time
It's an interesting topic, though. I've only just become aware of it (I'm a chess noob), and positive discrimination is a complex, controversial and ethically curious topic well worth discussion.
Not sure how it's connected to incels, but it's a topic worthy of careful debate and thought, imho.
Apr 17, 2023
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#104
Marie Curie seconds the notion that men firmly believe ---It's easier for women to be mediocre, but harder for them to be great."
Apr 17, 2023
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#105
badger_song wrote:
Marie Curie seconds the notion that men firmly believe ---It's easier for women to be mediocre, but harder for them to be great."
Yeah, that llama guy is pretty smart. Props to him, whoever he is 😇
Hi
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Apr 17, 2023
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#109
badger_song wrote:
He must be gay as hell
I mean, when you put it like that...
Apr 17, 2023
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#112
DelightfulLiberty wrote:
So because women aren't getting the already existing titles in large enough numbers to encourage more women into the game, they have created a title which is easier to get and which only women can get, so as to create more titled women and this should, in theory, encourage more women into the game. Have I understood that correctly?
No. The women's titles were created at a time when female players were virtually excluded from top events. There were very few GMs in the world in the 1950s and 60s, and tournaments that attracted enough of them to create a sufficiently strong field to let others earn GM norms were almost all invitation-only, and the organizers almost never invited women. That was when FIDE created separate women's titles.
There are still many areas of the world where women are considered second-class citizens and are discouraged from participating in activities outside the home. Also, some fundamentalist Islamic nations have strict laws forbidding mixing the genders in public, totally excluding women from "normal" chess tournaments. FIDE continues to offer the women's titles because that's the only recognition female players can earn in those places.
In much of the chess-playing world women-only competition and titles serve little practical purpose, and the hope is that in the future they can fade away, but I'm old enough (73) that I doubt I will live to see that happen. Those of us in freer, more liberated societies cannot take our own experiences as representative of conditions everywhere--remember FIDE is a world-wide organization.
It's because women are respected less overall because chess is considered difficult and women are stereotypically considered less capable to do difficult tasks than men by sexists, such as myself.
Apr 17, 2023
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#114
mpaetz wrote:
DelightfulLiberty wrote:
So because women aren't getting the already existing titles in large enough numbers to encourage more women into the game, they have created a title which is easier to get and which only women can get, so as to create more titled women and this should, in theory, encourage more women into the game. Have I understood that correctly?
No. The women's titles were created at a time when female players were virtually excluded from top events. There were very few GMs in the world in the 1950s and 60s, and tournaments that attracted enough of them to create a sufficiently strong field to let others earn GM norms were almost all invitation-only, and the organizers almost never invited women. That was when FIDE created separate women's titles.
There are still many areas of the world where women are considered second-class citizens and are discouraged from participating in activities outside the home. Also, some fundamentalist Islamic nations have strict laws forbidding mixing the genders in public, totally excluding women from "normal" chess tournaments. FIDE continues to offer the women's titles because that's the only recognition female players can earn in those places.
In much of the chess-playing world women-only competition and titles serve little practical purpose, and the hope is that in the future they can fade away, but I'm old enough (73) that I doubt I will live to see that happen. Those of us in freer, more liberated societies cannot take our own experiences as representative of conditions everywhere--remember FIDE is a world-wide organization.
That makes good sense as to why have female.only titles, at least outside the West.
What's the rationale behind making them easier to obtain?
Why not have more?
And should a similar thing exist for other marginalised groups?
Apr 17, 2023
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#115
The lower rating requirements were set when the titles were created. In that era women couldn't get into tournaments with the highest-rated players, so it was nearly impossible for a woman to reach the "normal" GM ratings. The rating requirements continue to be adjusted over time, and hopefully the female numbers will eventually equal the male numbers.
There is already something like "special titles" in other circumstances, such as awarding the FIDE master title to players without the requisite rating to those who win national championships or international tournaments in areas of the world where there is almost no chess activity.
Apr 17, 2023
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#116
Very good.
Do you think the time has come, now, for the requirements to be equalised (esp in the West)? Or do you think positive discrimination is still required?
Coming from a woman here, they might get titled easier....But do they get respect easier? Hou Yifan isn't only respected for her gender. She is respected because of how much she went through the harassment and discrimination in the chess community and how she got through it. Like.. Please get some education when you are a man and you are going to speak about what women have easier than men. The female chess player community has gone through so much to get where they are now. I still even face harassment online because of my gender and at school.
Judit Polar didn't get her title easy? She went through years of training to be where she is. She became a grandmaster and got respect because she contributed to the community and inspires girls today they can be just as good as her. She beat world champions and grandmasters at the age of 15. She held the record of youngest GM in the world beating even Bobby Fischer's record once.
So please if your going to speak about topics like these think first, get some education about it, then maybe talk. Because half of these comments I have been reading are completely wrong about us. Maybe if you were in our shoes you could try and understand. Next time you see something like this, think before you say. And if you see someone getting harassed on chess.com make sure to report it. Chess is a game made for everyone not just males. But 50% of chess players think it is.
Can you guys stop..?