🎯Do you think Gukesh deserves to be World Champion?
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IsraeliGal wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:
IsraeliGal wrote:
he deserves it in the sense he won against Ding, and thus earned the title of world champion.
But in my opinion hes not the true champion. He hasnt beaten Magnus. I know Magnus voluntarily left due to his own reasons and didnt defend his title, and its not fair on the other players that become champions now, but it just doesnt feel like the world champions right now are the actual world champions.
Its not Gukesh's fault, but even if you are a Gukesh fan you have to admit it doesnt feel as good as if he had done it against Magnus.
This is like saying that nobody is the real French Open tennis champion if they didn't defeat Rafael Nadal on the way
Thats not a good comparison. When Nadal was in his peak he WAS winning it almost every year. If someone else won it without versing Nadal its because Nadal would of lost against someone else in an earlier round, meaning he didnt perform as well.
In this case Magnus isn't even PARTAKING to begin with.
My point is just that it makes no sense to say that Magnus Carlsen "deserves" to be current classical World Champion if he doesn't even try to enter. People don't win titles without trying, we don't just hand out trophies for reputation. Gukesh won the Candidates tournament and the World Championship match - nobody "deserves" the title more right now than he does.
Dec 28, 2024
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#63
World Champion used to be used as a way of indicating who the best chess player was. This was before Elo, so there was no other way to gage who was better than who other than by having the two players face off in a match.
Elo was introduced as an attempt to objectify who was the best player, which made the old system of matches unnecessary. There are debates to be made, of course, about how Elo is supposed to work, and how it works in reality (it is designed around the idea that everyone can play everyone - the reality is that doesn't happen), but those are different matters.
In today's world, to think that the World Chess Champion title holder must be the best player in the word is to hold on to an outdated idea of what the title means. The title goes to the person who wins the play off match, with the challenger who is the person who wins the candidates, etc. It's a sports/games title. The objectively "best" team doesn't (and probably rarely), wins the top trophy of any competition. That's how play off based titles work.
So, yes, Gukesh absolutely deserves the title. He won it. Is he the best player in the world? No, of course not. But that is not what winning that title means, so it is a false criticism of him and his accomplishment to suggest he doesn't deserve to hold the title just because he isn't the world's best player. If you want to criticise anyone, then point your fingers at Magnus for refusing to step up.
NoemiS05 wrote:
IsraeliGal wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:
IsraeliGal wrote:
he deserves it in the sense he won against Ding, and thus earned the title of world champion.
But in my opinion hes not the true champion. He hasnt beaten Magnus. I know Magnus voluntarily left due to his own reasons and didnt defend his title, and its not fair on the other players that become champions now, but it just doesnt feel like the world champions right now are the actual world champions.
Its not Gukesh's fault, but even if you are a Gukesh fan you have to admit it doesnt feel as good as if he had done it against Magnus.
This is like saying that nobody is the real French Open tennis champion if they didn't defeat Rafael Nadal on the way
Thats not a good comparison. When Nadal was in his peak he WAS winning it almost every year. If someone else won it without versing Nadal its because Nadal would of lost against someone else in an earlier round, meaning he didnt perform as well.
In this case Magnus isn't even PARTAKING to begin with.
My point is just that it makes no sense to say that Magnus Carlsen "deserves" to be current classical World Champion if he doesn't even try to enter. People don't win titles without trying, we don't just hand out trophies for reputation. Gukesh won the Candidates tournament and the World Championship match - nobody "deserves" the title more right now than he does.
I never said Magnus deserved to be champion. I said it doesnt feel like Gukesh is the true world champion. The strongest and highest rated player isnt participating.
Dec 28, 2024
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#67
FIDE is obviously in decay and as far as I am concerned they can proclaim "their" "FIDE world chess champion" whoever they like. It doesn't really mean anything. This situation reminds of Miss Alabama 2024. 250 kg plus size model got a title. Does it actually mean anything in real world?
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Shamik2002 wrote:
Why is this even a question??? Did he not win fair and square every single match up to this point???? I am so done with the outright racism going on this is insane. Anyone who says he doesn't deserve to be world champion has zero actual reasons to back up their opinion. Buy burnol and keep crying.
You're the ONLY one to mention race..... which makes YOU the one wanting racism. Which is WHY brainwashed racists like YOU bring it up in the first place, because you're racist.
I agree with Shamik2002.
Kookish does not deserve the title.
He was lucky, overly lucky.
Kookish is weak.
His coaches are weak too.
Long live Carlsen.
Carlsen will come back with a vengeance.
The question is not so much if he deserves the title (he does) but rather what the title is worth.
Dec 31, 2024
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#74
"Yes" is the answer to the OP question. He even won it without going to rapid games!
The question is whether he will get better than Carlsen. 16 years is a nice amount of time to catch up.
It's funny how chess players have a much higher regard for ratings than in sports and games in general. If you win a gold medal at the Olympics, or win the Rugby World Cup, only idiots would be saying "it doesn't really count - your rating was not high enough".
Dec 31, 2024
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#75
Does anyone want to join my club:
https://www.chess.com/club/t-bird-chess-club
Oh and I think Gukesh is great and beat Magnus Carlsen but I think Magnus has more experience and tactical knowledge.
Dec 31, 2024
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#76
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
Kookish is weak.
His coaches are weak too.
Long live Carlsen.
Calm down
Jan 2, 2025
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#77
When Ding wins: "Magnus is still the best"
When Gukesh wins: "Magnus is still the best"
With Magnus no longer participating, it's only a matter of time until he's no longer relevant (at least when it comes to WC discussions).
He'll go the way of Kasparov - the subject of "GOAT" debates between players for years to come, but no longer part of the current picture ...
Jan 6, 2025
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#79
Magnus is still the best chess player on earth, he's the de facto champion.
Jan 7, 2025
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#80
I think gukesh has won fairly as surpassed some of the best players in the world. See when some of the other players became world champion eg Vishwanathan Anand the first time he became world champion he wasant the number 1 player in the world. Then he continued to win more world championships and eventually became number 1 in the world for a period of time