Does Anyone Else Wish Engines Never Existed?

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Chess engines have improved the skill of the game, I know, but I think it has also taken out the element of creativity partially, too. GM's are out here memorizing 15-20 moves deep, and you can tell because of how engine-like some of the moves are. 

Does anyone else wish engines never existed?

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You think GMs didn't memorize 20 moves before engines existed?

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llama47 wrote:

You think GMs didn't memorize 20 moves before engines existed?

It's possible, but how would that even work? And now, at the GM level, openings like the  Ruy Lopez and the Grunfeld are getting draws in 20 moves and boring stuff like that

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WALKINGLOSS wrote:

Chess engines have improved the skill of the game, I know, but I think it has also taken out the element of creativity partially, too. GM's are out here memorizing 15-20 moves deep, and you can tell because of how engine-like some of the moves are. 

 

Does anyone else wish engines never existed?

Does anyone else wish the internet never existed? 

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WALKINGLOSS wrote:
llama47 wrote:

You think GMs didn't memorize 20 moves before engines existed?

It's possible, but how would that even work? And now, at the GM level, openings like the  Ruy Lopez and the Grunfeld are getting draws in 20 moves and boring stuff like that

there was stuff like that before engines too lol

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WALKINGLOSS wrote:

Chess engines have improved the skill of the game, I know, but I think it has also taken out the element of creativity partially, too. GM's are out here memorizing 15-20 moves deep, and you can tell because of how engine-like some of the moves are. 

 

Does anyone else wish engines never existed?

The benefits outweigh the downsides

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Well I don't care

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WALKINGLOSS wrote:
llama47 wrote:

You think GMs didn't memorize 20 moves before engines existed?

It's possible, but how would that even work? And now, at the GM level, openings like the  Ruy Lopez and the Grunfeld are getting draws in 20 moves and boring stuff like that

Even 100 years ago GMs looked at all the games other top players were playing. People published analysis. Many of these things were memorized... yes even as far as move 20 wink.png

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Is creativity dying in sports?

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StormCentre3 wrote:

Is creativity dying in sports?

Great question and statement. My answer is yes. It’s the reason I no longer watch or follow the NFL, NBA, Olympic Games, and World Cup. I’d rather watch a group of school age children play for the fun of it. 

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And robots in supermarkets.

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WALKINGLOSS wrote:

Chess engines have improved the skill of the game, I know, but I think it has also taken out the element of creativity partially, too. GM's are out here memorizing 15-20 moves deep, and you can tell because of how engine-like some of the moves are. 

 

Does anyone else wish engines never existed?

Memorization has always been a part of chess.  I think chess engines have obviously been a great addition to chess.  I only wish people would learn to use them properly, and with restraint.

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from, a purely selfish viewpoint I would say yes.

But in reality  chess engines are reality.