Bullet doesn’t hurt it just doesn’t help
Does bullet take a toll on your calculation skills?
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goldenbeer wrote:
5 move deep is too much of exaggeration. Sometimes some lines are forced and you can calculate quickly, but sometimes they aren’t and even depth 3 is almost impossible, even for world champion.
It's not when the position is advantageous for you, which happens a lot in my level at least.
Nov 2, 2021
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#44
Bullet relies on intuition. In fact, most of our chess skill does. @RoaringPawn wrote about the research of Daniel Kahneman in "The Holy Grail of Chess Improvement". Read https://www.chess.com/blog/RoaringPawn/the-holy-grail-of-chess-improvement and think about how it applies to your generalizations about calculation and the merits or demerits of playing bullet.
Optimissed wrote:
Marcyful wrote:
goldenbeer wrote:
5 move deep is too much of exaggeration. Sometimes some lines are forced and you can calculate quickly, but sometimes they aren’t and even depth 3 is almost impossible, even for world champion.
It's not when the position is advantageous for you, which happens a lot in my level at least.
White had the advantage in this game after black played g6 but it isn't easy for white to calculate how to win and it would be completely impossible at bullet ...
Well, I was referring to my calculation in daily (not bullet or blitz or even rapid).
Nov 4, 2021
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#46
The question is about *calculation* not about any other aspect of the game.
I guess it would be like someone who went to the gym and only worked on building up the arms and chest and asks "does only working on my upper body hurt my legs?" Probably not, but it doesn't do a lot to make them stronger.
Maybe I should've been more specific with the title...
Nov 4, 2021
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#48
Well, one can easily imagine a situation, extending the analogy, where some champion body builder used to have super strong legs, but then doesn't exercise them because of the desire to build up other muscles and the legs atrophy a bit.
In the same way, if you have strong calculation skills, and then just play bullet, your calculation skills might atrophy because you're not exercising them as much.
Nov 4, 2021
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#49
NikkiLikeChikki a écrit :
Well, one can easily imagine a situation, extending the analogy, where some champion body builder used to have super strong legs, but then doesn't exercise them because of the desire to build up other muscles and the legs atrophy a bit.
In the same way, if you have strong calculation skills, and then just play bullet, your calculation skills might atrophy because you're not exercising them as much.
Where can we watch the game
fitrawan wrote:
Where can we watch the game
Which one?
nope
Nov 14, 2021
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#53
Ziryab wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
I just played three games of rapid, first time for six months. I should have easily won all three but in one, I drew owing to a mouse slip. I've been playing nothing but 5/0 blitz and there's no doubt that helped me. Rapid ratings are obviously highly inflated, judging by the low standard of the opposition. Blitz ratings between 1400 and 1600 seem to be deflated and a lot of people between those grades are much stronger than that. I think that with all my blitz games around 1600 recently I should be able to get up to 2100 rapid if I wanted. Blitz is very good practice for rapid. Bullet certainly isn't.
Put your rapid rating on the line in Arena and see if you can keep it above 1600. That’s what I’ve been doing the past eleven months. I was over 1900 when I started.
Tried that and had a bit of trouble though I've lost 100s of points to people below my rating before starting that so our cases may be different.
Absolute_Best wrote:
Marcyful wrote:
The other day I played like 20 bullet games in a row, which by itself is already stressful. What caught me as somewhat annoying is when I hopped on to Daily and my calculation skills feel like utter garbage. Normally, I was able to calculate up to 5 moves deep and analyze positions and figure out what to do in them decently. Now my brain can't even bother to calculate for even 1 move deep even when I have more than enough time. Should I just stop playing bullet altogether and just focus on my forte time control?
Let's review...
So, you're attributing your loss of cognitive foresight to playing 20 games of bullet chess?
Seeing 5 moves ahead when you have an infinite amount of time is pretty <uh> easy dare I say. I mean over a 24 hour period, if you are able to determine a move every 4 hours, you will still have 4 hours remaining in your day to watch Squid Game on Netflix and ponder the dimensional aspects of time travel through the known universe. Heck, you could watch an episode of Squid Game and the entire movie Interstellar
So to sum up... no. Bullet did not deteriorate your analytical abilities
For daily chess, yes. However for classical chess(like 45|45) it does tend to put people in the "lets play this as it feels right" mindset. You don't have an infinite amount of time and the clock is still ticking.
I think what the other guy meant was that people tend to become extremely "lazy" after playing tons of bullet games. In bullet after the opening people just play a move they "sort of" like. It's heavily based off of intuition and when you play 20 games of bullet and then get to classical you just don't "feel like" calculating a 8 move combination which you think you have.
Playing bullet does make people good at bullet but here's the issue. In real life most chess events are classical. Sometimes there are blitz events but really NO ONE plays bullet over the board since it's so messy and you have pieces falling all around you towards the end.
Therefore in my opinion if anyone wants to win some OTB local events then they should focus on classical chess and just get into the habit of calculating deep. This is just my opinion
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Absolute_Best wrote:
Marcyful wrote:
The other day I played like 20 bullet games in a row, which by itself is already stressful. What caught me as somewhat annoying is when I hopped on to Daily and my calculation skills feel like utter garbage. Normally, I was able to calculate up to 5 moves deep and analyze positions and figure out what to do in them decently. Now my brain can't even bother to calculate for even 1 move deep even when I have more than enough time. Should I just stop playing bullet altogether and just focus on my forte time control?
Let's review...
So, you're attributing your loss of cognitive foresight to playing 20 games of bullet chess?
Seeing 5 moves ahead when you have an infinite amount of time is pretty <uh> easy dare I say. I mean over a 24 hour period, if you are able to determine a move every 4 hours, you will still have 4 hours remaining in your day to watch Squid Game on Netflix and ponder the dimensional aspects of time travel through the known universe. Heck, you could watch an episode of Squid Game and the entire movie Interstellar
So to sum up... no. Bullet did not deteriorate your analytical abilities
For daily chess, yes. However for classical chess(like 45|45) it does tend to put people in the "lets play this as it feels right" mindset. You don't have an infinite amount of time and the clock is still ticking.
I think what the other guy meant was that people tend to become extremely "lazy" after playing tons of bullet games. In bullet after the opening people just play a move they "sort of" like. It's heavily based off of intuition and when you play 20 games of bullet and then get to classical you just don't "feel like" calculating a 8 move combination which you think you have.
Playing bullet does make people good at bullet but here's the issue. In real life most chess events are classical. Sometimes there are blitz events but really NO ONE plays bullet over the board since it's so messy and you have pieces falling all around you towards the end.
Therefore in my opinion if anyone wants to win some OTB local events then they should focus on classical chess and just get into the habit of calculating deep. This is just my opinion
There is no right or wrong for this and I believe different players have different needs. Some players specialise in the field of classical timing while others are warriors at faster controls. Take me for example, who only play blitz and bullet on this site (ok, I do play mainly rapid and no-clock games in over-the-board games in my local chess club and elsewhere, but that was before the chess clubs were closed due to COVID invading the world).
In terms of psychology though, yes. Bullet does have that sort of mindset where calculations get turned off. But if you play classical games for too long, you might face the problem of forgetting the clock and letting time run out.
For the second point, to be fair, 1|0 bullet in over-the-board games is equivalent to like 0.5|0 (i.e. 30-second games) because you have to factor in the fact that clocks have to be manually pressed in over-the-board games.
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
The dopamine release that comes from gaming is so powerful, say researchers, it can almost shut the prefrontal regions down.
Practicing anything repetitively physically changes the brain. With time and effort, you get better at the specific task you're practicing
Those repetitive actions and thoughts stimulate connections between brain cells, creating neural pathways between different parts of your brain. The more you practice a certain activity, the stronger that neural pathway becomes. That's the structural basis of learning.
"Use it or lose it" applies not just to muscles in the body, but also the brain. Neural pathways that are not used eventually get pruned.
Wow, I was talking about the psychology of minds but yet I missed this post earlier!
eric0022 wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Absolute_Best wrote:
Marcyful wrote:
The other day I played like 20 bullet games in a row, which by itself is already stressful. What caught me as somewhat annoying is when I hopped on to Daily and my calculation skills feel like utter garbage. Normally, I was able to calculate up to 5 moves deep and analyze positions and figure out what to do in them decently. Now my brain can't even bother to calculate for even 1 move deep even when I have more than enough time. Should I just stop playing bullet altogether and just focus on my forte time control?
Let's review...
So, you're attributing your loss of cognitive foresight to playing 20 games of bullet chess?
Seeing 5 moves ahead when you have an infinite amount of time is pretty <uh> easy dare I say. I mean over a 24 hour period, if you are able to determine a move every 4 hours, you will still have 4 hours remaining in your day to watch Squid Game on Netflix and ponder the dimensional aspects of time travel through the known universe. Heck, you could watch an episode of Squid Game and the entire movie Interstellar
So to sum up... no. Bullet did not deteriorate your analytical abilities
For daily chess, yes. However for classical chess(like 45|45) it does tend to put people in the "lets play this as it feels right" mindset. You don't have an infinite amount of time and the clock is still ticking.
I think what the other guy meant was that people tend to become extremely "lazy" after playing tons of bullet games. In bullet after the opening people just play a move they "sort of" like. It's heavily based off of intuition and when you play 20 games of bullet and then get to classical you just don't "feel like" calculating a 8 move combination which you think you have.
Playing bullet does make people good at bullet but here's the issue. In real life most chess events are classical. Sometimes there are blitz events but really NO ONE plays bullet over the board since it's so messy and you have pieces falling all around you towards the end.
Therefore in my opinion if anyone wants to win some OTB local events then they should focus on classical chess and just get into the habit of calculating deep. This is just my opinion
There is no right or wrong for this and I believe different players have different needs. Some players specialise in the field of classical timing while others are warriors at faster controls. Take me for example, who only play blitz and bullet on this site (ok, I do play mainly rapid and no-clock games in over-the-board games in my local chess club and elsewhere, but that was before the chess clubs were closed due to COVID invading the world).
In terms of psychology though, yes. Bullet does have that sort of mindset where calculations get turned off. But if you play classical games for too long, you might face the problem of forgetting the clock and letting time run out.
For the second point, to be fair, 1|0 bullet in over-the-board games is equivalent to like 0.5|0 (i.e. 30-second games) because you have to factor in the fact that clocks have to be manually pressed in over-the-board games.
It's definitely true that playing too much classical has a negative impact in one's blitz performance but i think the transition is a lot easier. In blitz u need strong opening prep and a very strong intuition since you don't have time to calculate.
I think it's easier going from deeply calculating moves to playing a move which looks good than it is to go from playing what feels right to calculating deeply
Nov 15, 2021
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#58
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
eric0022 wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Absolute_Best wrote:
Marcyful wrote:
The other day I played like 20 bullet games in a row, which by itself is already stressful. What caught me as somewhat annoying is when I hopped on to Daily and my calculation skills feel like utter garbage. Normally, I was able to calculate up to 5 moves deep and analyze positions and figure out what to do in them decently. Now my brain can't even bother to calculate for even 1 move deep even when I have more than enough time. Should I just stop playing bullet altogether and just focus on my forte time control?
Let's review...
So, you're attributing your loss of cognitive foresight to playing 20 games of bullet chess?
Seeing 5 moves ahead when you have an infinite amount of time is pretty <uh> easy dare I say. I mean over a 24 hour period, if you are able to determine a move every 4 hours, you will still have 4 hours remaining in your day to watch Squid Game on Netflix and ponder the dimensional aspects of time travel through the known universe. Heck, you could watch an episode of Squid Game and the entire movie Interstellar
So to sum up... no. Bullet did not deteriorate your analytical abilities
For daily chess, yes. However for classical chess(like 45|45) it does tend to put people in the "lets play this as it feels right" mindset. You don't have an infinite amount of time and the clock is still ticking.
I think what the other guy meant was that people tend to become extremely "lazy" after playing tons of bullet games. In bullet after the opening people just play a move they "sort of" like. It's heavily based off of intuition and when you play 20 games of bullet and then get to classical you just don't "feel like" calculating a 8 move combination which you think you have.
Playing bullet does make people good at bullet but here's the issue. In real life most chess events are classical. Sometimes there are blitz events but really NO ONE plays bullet over the board since it's so messy and you have pieces falling all around you towards the end.
Therefore in my opinion if anyone wants to win some OTB local events then they should focus on classical chess and just get into the habit of calculating deep. This is just my opinion
There is no right or wrong for this and I believe different players have different needs. Some players specialise in the field of classical timing while others are warriors at faster controls. Take me for example, who only play blitz and bullet on this site (ok, I do play mainly rapid and no-clock games in over-the-board games in my local chess club and elsewhere, but that was before the chess clubs were closed due to COVID invading the world).
In terms of psychology though, yes. Bullet does have that sort of mindset where calculations get turned off. But if you play classical games for too long, you might face the problem of forgetting the clock and letting time run out.
For the second point, to be fair, 1|0 bullet in over-the-board games is equivalent to like 0.5|0 (i.e. 30-second games) because you have to factor in the fact that clocks have to be manually pressed in over-the-board games.
It's definitely true that playing too much classical has a negative impact in one's blitz performance but i think the transition is a lot easier. In blitz u need strong opening prep and a very strong intuition since you don't have time to calculate.
I think it's easier going from deeply calculating moves to playing a move which looks good than it is to go from playing what feels right to calculating deeply
I agree, that's the transition I'm making right now lol
it was also true when I was about 1400 chess.com strength.
Nov 16, 2021
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#59
Optimissed wrote:
eric0022 wrote:
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
The dopamine release that comes from gaming is so powerful, say researchers, it can almost shut the prefrontal regions down.
Practicing anything repetitively physically changes the brain. With time and effort, you get better at the specific task you're practicing
Those repetitive actions and thoughts stimulate connections between brain cells, creating neural pathways between different parts of your brain. The more you practice a certain activity, the stronger that neural pathway becomes. That's the structural basis of learning.
"Use it or lose it" applies not just to muscles in the body, but also the brain. Neural pathways that are not used eventually get pruned.
Wow, I was talking about the psychology of minds but yet I missed this post earlier!
What she seems to be saying is that too much bullet makes you lose your mind?
In a word, yes.
But, if you are truly playing by instinct and intuition in bullet, the frontal regions of the brain are not the center of activity.
Someone should test this with brain scans. Is there more activity at the back of the brain during bullet?
You can't properly calculate in bullet, except for superficial, obvious combinations.
I enjoy bullet for fun, but slow chess is what you should focus on, if you truly want to improve.