I would think that's a bug in the online chess implementation isn't it?
Why should an opponents pre-move prevent a player fairly claiming a draw?
Yes.
It shouldn't.
Unfortunately, that's just the way it is, at the moment. I believe the site is getting a rebuild, later in the year.
Oh joy!
The problem is that your opponent may move before you have a chance to claim, especially with pre moves. Or on online chess with conditional moves.
People repeat moves when all other moves are poor. If he moves something else take advantage of it or if player just repeat the move another time hit the draw button.
Oh no, not a rebuild. Anything but that. Erik, we're sorry. We're very,very sorry. Don't do it. Stop using us as guini pigs. We have rights.
What happens when a three fold repetition has occured is that the button which usually says "offer draw" changes to say "claim draw".
I suppose the ability to announce to the site an intention: (1) to make a move which creates the repetition; and (2) then to claim a draw could be created and the draw would take effect at that point. Perhaps the button could simply change to "claim draw" once a player has it in his or her power to make a move creating a three fold repetition. Hitting the button would then operate both as the claim and as the move.
At present the programming recognises when a three fold repetition has occurred. Perhaps it would require rather more complex programming to recognise that a three fold repetition is simply possible. However such an arrangement would eliminate the problem of a quick move snatching the chance to claim away.
For me it always says:
'Offer/claim draw' never changes.
I was just impressed at your superior intellect. No offence.
Hey, sorry about that. Guess I misinterpretted the message, thinking maybe you had a problem with the tone of the message or something like that! :-)
Not to beat a dead horse, but some sort of alert would be nice. I just finished playing for a draw and we repeated the same position 5x.
I then came here to find the draw rule. Apparently I should have claimed it. The 'claim before making the move' option would be really nice to have here. On move 50 I should have been able to force a draw before playing Nf8+. It showed 'drawn by repetition' only after we repeated the position 3x.
Its online blitz chess, make 3 fold repitition automatic. Lichess has the right idea in this case
There is no automatic 3-fold repetition draw, either OTB, or in chess.com, since it's aginst the rules.
Copypasting from the FIDE handbook, # 9.2:
9.2
The game is drawn upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by a repetition of moves):
a.
is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or
b.
has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.
Positions as in (a) and (b) areconsidered the same, if the same player has the move, pieces of the same kind and colour occupy the same squares, and the possible moves of all the pieces of both players are the same.
Positions are not the same if a pawn that could have been captured en passant can no longer be captured in this manner. When a king or a rook is forced to move, it will lose its castling rights, if any, only after it is moved.
i guess things changed in the last 7.5 years?
> On Chess.com, this draw happens automatically on the third repetition.
https://support.chess.com/article/1042-i-got-a-draw-by-repetition-how-did-that-happen
It changed either last year or two years ago.
There is no automatic 3-fold repetition draw, either OTB, or in chess.com, since it's aginst the rules.
Copypasting from the FIDE handbook, # 9.2:
9.2
The game is drawn upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by a repetition of moves):
a.
is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or
b.
has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.
Positions as in (a) and (b) areconsidered the same, if the same player has the move, pieces of the same kind and colour occupy the same squares, and the possible moves of all the pieces of both players are the same.
Positions are not the same if a pawn that could have been captured en passant can no longer be captured in this manner. When a king or a rook is forced to move, it will lose its castling rights, if any, only after it is moved.
i guess things changed in the last 7.5 years?
> On Chess.com, this draw happens automatically on the third repetition.
https://support.chess.com/article/1042-i-got-a-draw-by-repetition-how-did-that-happen
It is one of the things that for some odd reason have changed in chess dot com.
It stlll applies as a FIDE rule: you do have to claim the draw to get it.
you disagree with that? or at least disagree with this as an option? i mean lichess has an option to claim or not claim automatically. what's next, you don't want +X in material? you don't want the time to show after each move? you want illegal moves to require calling an arbiter? lol
Needless to say, I disagree with any proprietary rule site ABC has introduced because some crybabies have asked for it.
The one and only ruleset that should apply is the FIDE one.
"No offence", or "No, offense"?
"Eat, children" or "Eat children".
i see....so your opinion is online chess/9LX sites should allow illegal moves to be made and hire people to be arbiters so people will call them like for the card game yugioh in sites like Dueling Network or dueling book instead of automating so that there are no illegal moves (like for ygopro) ? sounds like you're in the minority here?
We are taliking about chess here, not acey-deucey and variants.
And yes, in chess only one ruleset should exist.
LOL
1 - in your opinion OTB chess should have the same rules as online chess?
2 - you realise you are a in huge minority here right?
1. Yes, actually FIDE has set a few rules for online chess which do not touch things like repetitions and such.
https://rcc.fide.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/FideOnlineChessRegulations.pdf
2. I do know that idiots are the majority, but I cannot do much about this.
With Live Chess and premoves and potentially low times, it was really hard to get threefold draws. It was partly on the way the draws were coded, and partly because you can't stop the clocks. I also think a large number of tickets about it not being automatically awarded likely played a part.
The simple fact is, the mechanisms of online play are different enough, that sometimes there has to be some allowances made. It can't be the same as OTB 100% ( can't stop clocks, can't get an arbiter for rulings, don't have to hit the click, don't have to notate, can't make illegal moves, can premove, can touch pieces and not move, etc)
Yes they do. Fortunately they know the rules here.
So on only on chess.com; to be sure to never loose a three fold drawn position at one minute bullet, the draw button should just be constantly "spammed" on each move when playing at Chess.com. But if that's the surest way to win, chess.com should do that programing themselves. Lichess.com prevents non-sense threefold games with a user controlled preference setting called "Claim draw on threefold repetition automatically". If my archive of the games I've played has losses on time due to not hitting the (incorrectly labeled) "request draw" (chess.com should have the button say "demand draw" instead) fast enough, then it's a corrupted database for my uses.
The problem is that your opponent may move before you have a chance to claim, especially with pre moves. Or on online chess with conditional moves.
I would think that's a bug in the online chess implementation isn't it? A player should be able to press the draw button and claim a draw any time before his own next move, not his opponents next move which may be a pre-move. Why should an opponents pre-move prevent a player fairly claiming a draw?