Some people on here truly don't think so, because they don't think there is any such thing as talent. It's usually people rated somewhere in the teens who think that if they had studied harder, they too, or anybody else, would also be at his level. I don't share that idiot belief.
Does Magnus carlsen have talent?
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AnthonyCG wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
Some people on here truly don't think so, because they don't think there is any such thing as talent. It's usually people rated somewhere in the teens who think that if they had studied harder, they too, or anybody else, would also be at his level. I don't share that idiot belief.
Talent without hard work leads to nothing.
There are plenty of homeless people out there that got straight As in school but never made it anywhere because they were lazy.
Maybe Magnus is talented but he didn't get to where he is just because of that. That is a true idiot belief.
Who in the hell said otherwise? Of course you have to work to develope your talent, but you do have to have talent. I seriously doubt if any of those teen rated players have a tenth of his talent.
These teen rated players have been playing for years. If they had his talent, they might not be near his level, but they would be higher than the teens. I know that if I had had different parents than the bastards I was stuck with, I would be much better than I am, but I know I wouldn't be anywhere near his level.
How many talent points is having a stable family and supportive parents with the will and the means to help their child achieve greatness worth?
How many talent coupons would being trained from a young age by a top-20 player net you?
How much talent dust would a years sabbathical from schooling to tour the European chess circuit buy you?
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AnthonyCG wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
These teen rated players have been playing for years. If they had his talent, they might not be near his level, but they would be higher than the teens. I know that if I had had different parents than the bastards I was stuck with, I would be much better than I am, but I know I wouldn't be anywhere near his level.
Wrong again. Talent must be cultivated and utilized. If someone studies say openings and other worthless crap all day they're not going anywhere regardless of how talented they are. A lot of the time they are just doing the wrong things and don't get better. And with an overabundance of knowlegdge out there that is very easy to do...
And don't complain about your parents. I know people from 3rd world countries that came over here with no family and $20 to their name that went to the local community colleges and made something of themselves.
You can't change the past so go and do something about right now.
I'm not wrong, and I'll complain as I see fit.
AnthonyCG wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
These teen rated players have been playing for years. If they had his talent, they might not be near his level, but they would be higher than the teens. I know that if I had had different parents than the bastards I was stuck with, I would be much better than I am, but I know I wouldn't be anywhere near his level.
Wrong again. Talent must be cultivated and utilized. If someone studies say openings and other worthless crap all day they're not going anywhere regardless of how talented they are. A lot of the time they are just doing the wrong things and don't get better. And with an overabundance of knowlegdge out there that is very easy to do...
And don't complain about your parents. I know people from 3rd world countries that came over here with no family and $20 to their name that went to the local community colleges and made something of themselves.
You can't change the past so go and do something about right now.
I'm not wrong, and I'll complain as I see fit.
And that is where your problem lies.
What problem? I see you as having more than me.
AnthonyCG wrote:
Well then don't be insulted when I tell you that I don't take any of your insight seriously.
I don't take yours seriously either.
AnthonyCG wrote:
I know.
I know this to be a fact. Whenever somebody dares mention that they had assholes for parents, there is guaranteed to be some sanctimonious turd who points out somebody who supposedly was worse off. So what if there was somebody else who was worse off? I don't claim that I've had it worse than anybody else on earth, but that doesn't make my parents any less assholes. There might well have people who had it worse than me, who did better, but I can tell you for sure that there have been people who have had it much better than me who did worse.
Jun 29, 2012
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Maxx_Dragon wrote:
To say Magnus Carlsen is "talented" is do him a sever injustice. "Talented" are some of those individuals who appear on American Idol. Magnus Carlsen, like Mozart, Van Gogh, Capablanca and Fischer is "profoundly gifted." There is at least an order of magnitude between the talented and the profoundly gifted. At least in Our humble opinion. >:[
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It is interesting to see how people compare Carlsen to Capablanca.
I have gone through a number of Capablanca's games and his annotations. My opinion is that Capablanca calculated somewhat poorly (for a world champion and for a world-class player). In terms of giving accurate lines of play and their variations, Alekhine, Lasker, Tarrasch and Nimzo were better. However, Capablanca's assessment of the situation on the board was always spot-on and terrifyingly accurate. The precision was almost machine-like. This leads me to believe that Capablanca often did not calculate. He just instantly knew what to do, and from there he calculated backwards. It is rare to see talents like that anymore.
Carlsen has a similar positional insight. It's probably not in the same degree as Capablanca's, but Carlsen makes it up with better calculation skill. That's what I think.
Nah, only Karjakin claimed that Magnus is excellent at soccer.
And this is no big deal, his former trainer was much better than him (GM Simen Agdestein, who was a semi-professional player and member of the Norwegian National soccer team).
Maxx_Dragon wrote:
Alchemind wrote:
It's not an idiotic question because Magnus Carlsen has austism, or a mild for of aspergers. That's an immediate advantage in having lopsided strength which in Magnus's case went to chess, and not learning about trains or ornathology. Because of his disease everything he thinks is filtered through chess and it is a great tool that normal people don't have. I'd love to a disease that gives me an unfair advantage. If I had aspergers I'd have have nothing better to do then pwn noobs at tournaments all day. ez
Now that's an idiotic statement. Just who has determined that this advantage is "unfair"? Sounds like untalented jealousy to Us. >:[
Does it say anywhere that he has aspergers? Are there any indications that he does? I mean, he might, but he appears to be completely normal in all his interviews. So if he does indeed have aspergers, then he is completely aware of it, and manages to appear as if he does not have it.
lollolbuddha wrote:
or has he just memorized 60-70% of chess theory,openings,endgame theory and some tactics ?
Yes, I think you may be on to something here. He has memorized 10,000 games, and if he knows them like he knows how to walk (i.e. by instinct, without thinking), then that explains how he understands things others don't. The rest of us who haven't done that same work look at him and call that "natural talent". In 100 years, every master level player will know 10,000 games instinctually, and the best player will know 100,000, and everyone will talk about what "natural talent" that player has.
pellik wrote:
He has a massive talent. Most of his moves come from intuition. It's just on top of that he also has a superb memory.
What do you think intuition is? Is there a chess intuition gene?
It's reasonable to think that memorizing things can come easier to one person than another based solely on their genetic makeup and current brain chemistry. But please explain how one achieves great "chess intuition" aside from hard work.
Yes, maybe that hard work comes easier to him than most of us because of some "natural" genetic thing, but one way or another he has a massive body of chess knowledge at hand. You go memorize 10,000 master games of chess, and know them like you know how to walk, and you too will have "chess intuition".
samog123 wrote:
Is this a chess post or oprah winfrey or Jerry Springer! As the great one once said,"Rocky", Life beats everyone down at one point or another but what seperates Winners from Losers is who stays down and who gets back up and keeps moving forward!
Exactly! Fail as quickly as possible, then iterate.
Mar 18, 2013
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Jeff Sarwer had great talent, but horrible luck to be born to such a family. I'm glad to hear he's able to make a living playing poker now. Chess lost a potentially great player.
Tho I remember him on TV with Mednis once. He was an absolutely disrespectful little brat. Mednis was extremely patient with him, and explained why some of his brilliant tactics were positionally flawed. At least the kid had the sense to blush when he saw he was wrong.
SmyslovFan wrote:
Jeff Sarwer had great talent, but horrible luck to be born to such a family. I'm glad to hear he's able to make a living playing poker now. Chess lost a potentially great player.
Tho I remember him on TV with Mednis once. He was an absolutely disrespectful little brat. Mednis was extremely patient with him, and explained why some of his brilliant tactics were positionally flawed. At least the kid had the sense to blush when he saw he was wrong.
That can't be right. There's no such thing as talent. It's all hard work. At least according to some idiots on here. :)
What's up with this 1pt font trend?
Is this better?
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