Does rejecting a draw offer in equal position a sign of disrespect for opponents

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Mishra_Sanjeev

yesterday aronian refused draw offer of nakamura in seemingly equal position.. ain't it a sign of disrespect ??

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Not at all but I can see how some people would take it that way.  Chess is supposed to be fun!  Dead draws you should accept but equal yet not drawn positions should be played on. 

amartalon

Plus Aronian said he felt that he had a better position despite the equal material and I think he would know better than most.

Mishra_Sanjeev
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

Not at all but I can see how some people would take it that way.  Chess is supposed to be fun!  Dead draws you should accept but equal yet not drawn positions should be played on. 

i agree with you, but in WCC 2013 match 3, it was dead draw but still carlsen refused draw 

clunney

I almost never accept draws (even in worse positions).  If I think the position is drawn, I'll offer.  But frankly, I don't even like offering draws (especially early on in games).  I prefer to play on until the draw is obvious.  I don't think it is disrespectful at all for Aronian to decline a draw, and it is his choice (it's why it's called a draw "offer", not a draw order). 

Now, if a GM or IM were to oAffer me a draw, I would probably change my mind, but at the Class-A level, there is no need to ever really accept a draw (unless it is obvious, of course).  Besides, you learn a lot from playing on in "dead" positions, and they can often turn out to be not so dead (as Carlsen often proves).

rooperi

Actually, it's a little disrespectful to offer a draw if you're not sure how to draw it.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Yeah if a titled play offered me a draw I'd accept even if I (somehow) had a superior position.  Since I don't see that happening I never offer personally and would only agree if it's too obviously drawn or I'm in an inferior position and they somehow can't tell they're doing better. 

amartalon

Sometimes I find myself losing focus towards the end of a game, at which point I will usually offer a draw if I am equal or slightly better since in these cases I usually end up blundering and losing.  It's an aspect of my game I need to work on.

ViktorHNielsen
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

Yeah if a titled play offered me a draw I'd accept even if I (somehow) had a superior position.  Since I don't see that happening I never offer personally and would only agree if it's too obviously drawn or I'm in an inferior position and they somehow can't tell they're doing better. 

You will never defeat titled players if you take draws when you have the superior position. But your no draw policy against equal opposition is excellent!

 

On topic, of course you have the rights to decline a draw offer! If you think you can win in a K+R against K+R, by all means play on! But remember, do not waste you and your opponents time. If Carlsen should accept draws in dead-drawn positions, his rating would be around 2780, I think.

NomadicKnight

Didn't someone recently say on here that "you won't learn anything by drawing". I believe he was referring to amateur level games, and was also speaking of games in which the person declining was down in material, and for those situations I think that it makes sense: The person simply wants to fight on and learn, and for all he knows he might just pull out of a seemingly hopeless situation because he lacks the knowledge to see far enough ahead in the game.

In the higher rated games by declining in a seemingly equal position, my question would be "why resign"? Both players are fully capable of reading ahead and the declining person might just have an ace up his sleeves for all you know.

GMVillads

Mishra_Sanjeev wrote:

yesterday aronian refused draw offer of nakamura in seemingly equal position.. ain't it a sign of disrespect ??

Did you think the position was equal?.?...?...?....,,.?!?!?!?!?!?!

johnyoudell

no

Mishra_Sanjeev
GMVillads wrote:

Mishra_Sanjeev wrote:

yesterday aronian refused draw offer of nakamura in seemingly equal position.. ain't it a sign of disrespect ??

Did you think the position was equal?.?...?...?....,,.?!?!?!?!?!?!

yeah it definitely was, even top engines were showing 0.22 evaluation wow, even in endgame nakamura just made a mistake with king move, or he could have hold , wow .

amartalon
Mishra_Sanjeev wrote:
GMVillads wrote:

Mishra_Sanjeev wrote:

yesterday aronian refused draw offer of nakamura in seemingly equal position.. ain't it a sign of disrespect ??

Did you think the position was equal?.?...?...?....,,.?!?!?!?!?!?!

yeah it definitely was, even top engines were showing 0.22 evaluation wow, even in endgame nakamura just made a mistake with king move, or he could have hold , wow .

Aronian said after the game that the endgame after the rooks were exchanged was better for white and that he was surprised that Naka offerred a draw in such a position.  You can't always trust engines to evaluate such positions accurately.

Mishra_Sanjeev
amartalon wrote:
Mishra_Sanjeev wrote:
GMVillads wrote:

Mishra_Sanjeev wrote:

yesterday aronian refused draw offer of nakamura in seemingly equal position.. ain't it a sign of disrespect ??

Did you think the position was equal?.?...?...?....,,.?!?!?!?!?!?!

yeah it definitely was, even top engines were showing 0.22 evaluation wow, even in endgame nakamura just made a mistake with king move, or he could have hold , wow .

Aronian said after the game that the endgame after the rooks were exchanged was better for white and that he was surprised that Naka offerred a draw in such a position.  You can't always trust engines to evaluate such positions accurately.

i m telling u again that in the endgame naka just made a mistake with king move thats all !! orelse he might have hold it and i know engines are that trusty in such positions :)

amartalon

Hmm who to listen to, you or Aronian...

Mishra_Sanjeev

wow !! of course just analyse that game yourself and see Cool

chesspartha

it is allowed to reject a draw so i think it is alrightCool

Fromper

Is it a sign of disrespect to refuse a draw offer in the starting position? After all, everyone knows the game is a theoretical draw, so isn't it disrespectful to think you can ever win?

waffllemaster

Like most chess questions the answer is "it depends on the position" Laughing