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Does studying an opening while in a daily game violate fair play?

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TheMoistOstrich

Chess.com has this written in their support page,

  "In Daily Chess (turn-based games with several days per move), you may consult any resource which is not engine-based. This includes books, opening databases (including the Chess.com Explorer) for [www.chess.com/openings|opening moves], and thematic games (though not their engine analyses).  Tablebases are NOT allowed. You may not consult an engine, or another human, to provide an opinion on the opening database, tablebases, self-preparation or analysis that would relate to a particular game-in-progress on Chess.com."
 
 I tend to use YouTube as a free resource for studying openings. Technically it is a resource that is not engine based. It also says another human can't provide an opinion on the opening database. Now if a creator were to talk about what people play because they check the database or if they say "this position is +2", would that be alright? I feel slightly bad if I learn an idea and play it when had I not watched a video I wouldn't of but daily games tend to take time and I feel like I am halting my learning by waiting for it to finish or studying something else. What are your thoughts?

notmtwain
TheMoistOstrich wrote:

Chess.com has this written in their support page,

  "In Daily Chess (turn-based games with several days per move), you may consult any resource which is not engine-based. This includes books, opening databases (including the Chess.com Explorer) for [www.chess.com/openings|opening moves], and thematic games (though not their engine analyses).  Tablebases are NOT allowed. You may not consult an engine, or another human, to provide an opinion on the opening database, tablebases, self-preparation or analysis that would relate to a particular game-in-progress on Chess.com."
 
 I tend to use YouTube as a free resource for studying openings. Technically it is a resource that is not engine based. It also says another human can't provide an opinion on the opening database. Now if a creator were to talk about what people play because they check the database or if they say "this position is +2", would that be alright? I feel slightly bad if I learn an idea and play it when had I not watched a video I wouldn't of but daily games tend to take time and I feel like I am halting my learning by waiting for it to finish or studying something else. What are your thoughts?

Watching a recorded video is fine.

Asking for an opinion in the comments wouldn't be.

Asking for an opinion in a live stream wouldn't be.

TheMoistOstrich

I guess that makes sense. Now this isn't the case for me but as an example, even if you were 30 moves into KID theory and you were watching a lesson or video would it still be ok? (note I am still talking about daily there is no assistance of any kind allowed in live)

Martin_Stahl
TheMoistOstrich wrote:

I guess that makes sense. Now this isn't the case for me but as an example, even if you were 30 moves into KID theory and you were watching a lesson or video would it still be ok? (note I am still talking about daily there is no assistance of any kind allowed in live)

 

Yes, that would be fine.

NilsIngemar

I think the rule is during play. So no references while you are playing.

tlay80

Yeah, totally legit.  Daily games are a good way to learn about openings, and you should make use of books, videos, and databases to do that.

And I wouldn't worry if the book or video has a stray comment about how the position is +2 here or something like that (assuming the whole thing isn't just a compendium of engine evals).  You didn't ask for that and had no way of knowing it was coming.

TheMoistOstrich
NilsIngemar wrote:

I think the rule is during play. So no references while you are playing.

 Well what is the difference in learning a variation and planning on playing it in a few hours when you have time vs 5 seconds after you learn it?

TheMoistOstrich
tlay80 wrote:

Yeah, totally legit.  Daily games are a good way to learn about openings, and you should make use of books, videos, and databases to do that.

And I wouldn't worry if the book or video has a stray comment about how the position is +2 here or something like that (assuming the whole thing isn't just a compendium of engine evals).  You didn't ask for that and had no way of knowing it was coming.

 Thanks for the insight! I am happy to know this is okay so I can continue studying! happy.png

tlay80
TheMoistOstrich wrote:
NilsIngemar wrote:

I think the rule is during play. So no references while you are playing.

 Well what is the difference in learning a variation and planning on playing it in a few hours when you have time vs 5 seconds after you learn it?

Not quite sure I follow this, but there's no rule agaist consulting a book or video during play for daily games.  That's only a rule for live games.

In daily games, you can have a book (or three) in hand and stare at the screen, even during your move, to your heart's content.

NilsIngemar

Cool