Doing too many tactics?

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JustWimpy

Is it possible to do too many tactics?  I feel it is helping me a lot, but is it possible it could also start hindering my progress?

aloofandpoofed

 Looks like you're doing hundreds per day without taking the time to get most of them right. So in this case maybe you could fine tune your tactics practice a little.

JustWimpy

Ive started trying to do them faster to try and help me start recognizing the best moves faster.  I generally end higher than when I started.  I was just wondering if I should not focus on tactics so much.

aloofandpoofed

 At a glance, you seem to be performing around the same as me in daily games and a little better than me in rapid (to which I'm new, and at which I'm not yet any good). I hired a coach to help out, and I'll share a bit of his general advice for this level.

Work hard on tactics, taking the time to know the solution before making the move, and review your games (especially the losses). I do my serious tactics homework at another site, but the timed and untimed tactics here are also fine.

If you suspect you may be spending too much time on tactics, you may be right, but focusing on tactics is a very good idea for someone around 1200.

1hey

by doing the tactics faster you eat the meat without its blood.

AIM-AceMove

Yes. Doing too many tactics is counter productive and actually can hurt your chess. I can list some players who attempted between 10 000 and 20 000 tactics in just 6 months. That's insane. Some are doing 100 tactics a day for every day. After couple months they are basically the same, without improving or even worse than before. Look like you are example of that.

You have attempted 7000 tactics in just 2 months or less? That might be new record. And you are 1350~ rated in tactic trainer? Even a beginner after couple thousands of tactics will reach at least 1500 or better. Up to 1700 tactics are very basic, about find the hanging piece or easy checkmate in one or two. Some tactics are underrated but still... 7000 in 2 months and 1350 ...

JustWimpy

Lol.  My kids have done a few of those.  My stats are a little misleading.

AIM-AceMove

But still max rating 1400~.

I have done your 7500 tactics in almost 2 years - when i started to study chess more serious. Back then i was around 1300-1500 rated player (blitz and bullet) and around 1300 at tactics. And look me now, 2100+ at tactics (now 2070 but because of bad habbits like moving too quick from bullet and blitz)  with 2250 at peak when i really try hard and bullet and blitz rating above 2000. But i have watched probably 3 000 videos of chess blitz, bullet, rapid by masters with commentary explaing as they move and lessons and game analysis. That might helped my pattern recognitions and chess skills way more than tactics did. Also Chess mentor and video lessons here is huge tool for improving fast.


When a coach says study tactics he is actually saying you need experience. That experience you might get by watching videos and analizing games or playing a lot quick games. Like i did. I started playing chess few years ago by playing bullet mostly and blitz. And that improved me a lot. I haven't read books like some had read like 10. But many do it caressly for fun with thousands of games and they don't improve.


Point is - doing a lot one thing most likely won't show good results if you instead balance it with other things.

Some improve a lot, others not, you have to find what works for you.

JustWimpy

When I say a few, I mean the vast majority.  My rating is where it's at because I end up taking turns with the kids and spend my time on tactics making up what they've lost.  I'm not worried about my rating.  Either way, all I was asking is whether or not just doing tactics can be bad.  I don't have the time to watch videos and I am still waiting on the books I've ordered to arrive.  I can go over books while at practices, games, recitals.....or whatever else the kids have going on.  The reason I was asking was because all I have time for right now is to make an occasional move in games and do a few tactics here and there.  I just didn't want to keep doing the tactics if I needed to focus on other things as well right now.  

aloofandpoofed

In light of your clarification, I see no harm in doing what you're doing. Especially if you enjoy doing tactics, which can be fun all by themselves and something you can squeeze in between adult and parental duties.

AIM-AceMove

Well then, why you started this thread if that's the case? Basically you were asking why i am still low rated after so many tactics and i didn't improved? You answered that by you own.

Book will cost you more money and more time, and you really have to concentrate hard. And actually might be not what you need. Many end up with dozens of books and still they don't know a thing and show no improvements.  Now with internet and videos and modern tools like chess mentor will improve you a lot quick. But if you learn better from reading than from watching then is fine. You can still read articles if you wish from great coaches like NM Dan Heisman or blogs by Jeremy Silman and their books.

JustWimpy

I wasn't asking because of my rating.  I was wanting  to know if just doing tactics is bad because I haven't been able to really do anything else yet.  Other than a few lessons. I didn't think I'd have to get into why my rating is where it's at or why so many tactics have been done.  It was about whether or not just doing tactics was a bad thing.  I guess I should have worded my initial question differently to keep it from being confusing. Sorry about that. 

AIM-AceMove

Well yeah, by typing "start hindering my progress after a lot of tactics" , indicates rating and performance as a player to me. And obviously everyone expect to improve after making exercising so.. And then you say actually your kids did more than half of them... and you don't much care about rating.. really confusing. Sounds like defensive "tactic" to protect ego from truth why really i am not improving etc.. Just don't lie yourself. Anyway i am done here.

JustWimpy

I never said, "start hindering my progress after a lot of tactics"

AIM-AceMove

You did. In previous question. 1+1=2

JustWimpy

I used all of the words you quoted, but not in the order you quoted them.  How does changing my words to try to make your response make sense, make sense?

AIM-AceMove
JustWimpy wrote:

I used all of the words you quoted, but not in the order you quoted them.  How does changing my words to try to make your response make sense, make sense?

My response makes sense even without "after a lot of tactics" 

BronsteinPawn

The worst that has happened to me is that after doing too many tactics (usually after 2 hours) I start  failing everything.

Ziryab

I did a three hour stint on tactics last week. Then I went back to playing blitz. My blitz rating dropped about 250 Elo over the next 24 hours. Should I blame Tactics Trainer?

BronsteinPawn
Ziryab escribió:

I did a three hour stint on tactics last week. Then I went back to playing blitz. My blitz rating dropped about 250 Elo over the next 24 hours. Should I blame Tactics Trainer?

Yes you should, your brain probably fried.

You have good enduracne tho, I can only last 2 hours before getting my brain fried.