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Aspnet1982

Hello,

I am playing some 10 minutes games and it is the second time that happened that my opponent goes out of time and it is a draw.

In summary I was black with only the king and he was trying to checkmate me and he run out of time...

Why? Shouldn't I win as he runs out of time?

Thanks happy.png

Apologies if it is a stupid question but can somebody explain the rule here? 

Martin_Stahl
Aspnet1982 wrote:

Hello,

I am playing some 10 minutes games and it is the second time that happened that my opponent goes out of time and it is a draw.

In summary I was black with only the king and he was trying to checkmate me and he run out of time...

Why? Shouldn't I win as he runs out of time?

Thanks

Apologies if it is a stupid question but can somebody explain the rule here?

You can never win if all you have is a bare king. The best outcome you can hope for is a draw.

https://support.chess.com/article/268-my-opponent-ran-out-of-time-why-was-it-a-draw

Essentially, if you can't possibly checkmate your opponent, you can't win. The site has slightly different rules, about possible checkmate with king+knight, king+bishop, and king+two knights, but those are explained in the above article.

Aspnet1982

oh ok... but does this make sense? I mean I guess it does but so basically somebody that cannot give mate has no risk to loose in this case? Isn't it an extra advantage?

Martin_Stahl

I added some additional context as an edit. Time isn't the primary consideration; you still need to be able to mate.

Aspnet1982

ok thanks for the clarification happy.png Of course it make sense, like you said you cannot win, but I feel that with time control it does not make sense 100%, maybe only 99.99999 happy.png

EndgameEnthusiast2357

What's worse is a player can deliberately let his time run out and get a draw out of a forced mate position, since the site only considers the mating material on one side in declaring it a draw or not. For example, in this endgame, if white in a time scramble pushes the pawn:

And he realizes he is gonna get force checkmate, he can literally let his time flag at any point, and the site will declare it a draw cause it deems the knight and king insufficient mating material, despite the pawn blocking the king in.

DoYouLikeCurry
It’ll say “draw by insufficient material”. What that means is that you don’t have the material to checkmate your opponent. The rules of chess state that, as you were clearly losing, but your opp ran out of time, you get a half win,
Itz_Griffin
It’s because you don’t have the material to checkmate him so can’t win
BigSplat2018
Aspnet1982 wrote:

oh ok... but does this make sense? I mean I guess it does but so basically somebody that cannot give mate has no risk to loose in this case? Isn't it an extra advantage?

If you want to call that an "extra advantage", OK, but the player has in some sense earned it by playing better than their opponent.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

If your opponent only has a king left, you've earned at least a draw, since he could never checkmate you, regardless of time. The worst case scenario is a draw, that's why you get a draw if you run out of time.