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"... de la Maza ... recommends ... going through a set of 1000 tactcs problems seven times. One might imagine that a suitable set of 1000 positions would then be provided, but no, readers are advised to buy a piece of software ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
robbie_1969 wrote:

... De La Maza actually recommends tactical exercises and simply states that computer software is the most convenient for his mehtod citing his use of C.T Art and its completely disingenuous of Nunn to try to make something of the fact. ...

I see nothing disingenuous in the GM Nunn comment.

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De La Maza attempts to point out how useless Silmans books are for anyone who suffers from a failure of pattern recognition and tactical weaknesses.  Ok his reasoning is not entirely sound (he says that you take any position from a Silman book and plug it into a computer and the computer will find different solutions to the ones proffered) which may be the case but it fails because we are human and do not think like computers.  Nunn himself fails due to his innate snobbery to recognise the practical benefits of a work like De La Mazas which are not inferior to many authors for at least he (De La Maza) addresses the core problem of tactical weaknesses which plague many adult/improving players.  How he could fail to recognise this I cannot say.  Perhaps he was too busy flogging some useless opening books? Who can say?

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kindaspongey wrote:
"... de la Maza ... recommends ... going through a set of 1000 tactcs problems seven times. One might imagine that a suitable set of 1000 positions would then be provided, but no, readers are advised to buy a piece of software ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
robbie_1969 wrote:

... De La Maza actually recommends tactical exercises and simply states that computer software is the most convenient for his mehtod citing his use of C.T Art and its completely disingenuous of Nunn to try to make something of the fact. ...

I see nothing disingenuous in the GM Nunn comment.

which is a projection of prejudice for you have not read De La Mazas book.

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torrubirubi wrote:

... Why take valuable space in a book to bring stuff that an app can do much better? ...

How much of the de la Maza book strikes you as space well used? Some excerpts from an approximately page-long description of one drill:
"Use [these drills] if you feel that you are missing obvious opportunities or are taking too much time to find simple moves. ... start with the knight on a1 and move it to b1 in the shortest number of moves, ... physically hit the squares that the knight moves to, but do not move the knight itself. Once you have completed the a1-b1 circuit, move the knight from a1 to c1. ... After you have completed all of the circuits that start on a1 and go to all of the other squares on the board ..., move the knight to b1 and repeat the process. ... This drill will take half a day to complete. ... (64*63) pairs of squares ..." - Michael de la Maza

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robbie_1969 wrote:

I think i will take GM Rowsons word over Silmans any day seeing that you are fond of quoting authors.  Have you read his book yourself? ...

I have browsed through it. Is there any dispute about the many pages of de la Maza telling the reader what he is going to do and quoting reader praise of de la Maza? What about the quoted game commentary? How many other games are there?

its not a games collection nor a thinking method, its a method for instilling in the chess player pattern recognition and addressing tactical weaknesses.  That is why chiming on about these things by Silman and Nunn is disingenuous.  Its simply cherry picking on their part.

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robbie_1969 wrote:

... its a method for instilling in the chess player pattern recognition and addressing tactical weaknesses. ...

How many pages are devoted to describing specific patterns for the reader?

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kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... its a method for instilling in the chess player pattern recognition and addressing tactical weaknesses. ...

How many pages are devoted to describing specific patterns for the reader?

Do you want me to count them? Its a methodology for increasing tactical awareness and is excellent for doing so and no amount of intellectual snobbery from Nunn can change the fact.

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What did Hendriks say about Silmans books?

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robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... its a method for instilling in the chess player pattern recognition and addressing tactical weaknesses. ...

How many pages are devoted to describing specific patterns for the reader?

Do you want me to count them? ...

It seems sufficient to note the degree to which you seem to want to make a claim about the number of de la Maza pages describing specific patterns for the reader.

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robbie_1969 wrote:

... Its a methodology for increasing tactical awareness and is excellent for doing so ...

Do you have an example of a notable de la Maza "methodology" sentence, or should we go by that stuff on spending about half a day tapping out knight moves on a board?

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You gots to play dem position. You gots to demolish your opponent.

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kindaspongey wrote:

It seems sufficient to note the degree to which you seem to want to make a claim about the number of de la Maza pages describing specific patterns for the reader.

I haven’t made any claims about the number of pages he devotes to specific patterns.  You are falling into fiction.  Too much Silman has warped your mind.  Be careful you might end up like the BYP!

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kindaspongey wrote:
 

Do you have an example of a notable de la Maza "methodology" sentence, or should we go by that stuff on spending about half a day tapping out knight moves on a board?

I would generally advise reading a publication prior to making any claims about it.  Wouldn’t you? Or we could regurgitate the second hand claims of others.

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kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... its a method for instilling in the chess player pattern recognition and addressing tactical weaknesses. ...

How many pages are devoted to describing specific patterns for the reader?

Do you want me to count them? ...

It seems sufficient to note the degree to which you seem to want to make a claim about the number of de la Maza pages describing specific patterns for the reader.

"I haven’t made any claims about the number of pages he devotes to specific patterns. ..." - robbie_1969

We don't seem to have a disagreement about that.

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robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

It seems sufficient to note the degree to which you seem to want to make a claim about the number of de la Maza pages describing specific patterns for the reader.

... You are falling into fiction. ...

Is there a specific untrue sentence that you wish to identify.

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robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

... Do you have an example of a notable de la Maza "methodology" sentence, or should we go by that stuff on spending about half a day tapping out knight moves on a board?

I would generally advise reading a publication prior to making any claims about it. ...

Is there any specific claim by me that you wish to dispute?

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robbie_1969 wrote:

... Or we could regurgitate the second hand claims of others.

In addition to quoting IM Silman and GM Nunn, I have quoted some of that knight move stuff directly from the de la Maza book.

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kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

It seems sufficient to note the degree to which you seem to want to make a claim about the number of de la Maza pages describing specific patterns for the reader.

... You are falling into fiction. ...

Is there a specific untrue sentence that you wish to identify.

I have already stated that I have not made any claims regarding the number of pages that De La Maza devotes to specific patterns contrary to you harbouring delusions that I have. 

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kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... Or we could regurgitate the second hand claims of others.

In addition to quoting IM Silman and GM Nunn, I have quoted some of that knight move stuff directly from the de la Maza book.

Second hand and regurgitated opinions.  A very poor substitute for using your own powers of discernment.

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kindaspongey wrote:

Is there any specific claim by me that you wish to dispute?

Sophistry dear spongey!