Why is chess not at the olympics?
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Jun 14, 2021
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#243
Soniasthetics wrote:
Chess isn't a sport.
An article on chess.com isn't evidence of that.
Chess does not fit the definition of sport.
Stop beating this dead over used topic.
Jun 14, 2021
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#245
(i am not responsible for any harm that comes of trying extreme ironing)
pfren wrote:
lfPatriotGames έγραψε:
Really?? I didn't know curling is a sport that requires no muscle use. Shooting and archery also huh? Thats amazing. So quadrapalegics and people with no muscle use can actively engage in, and even excel at curling and archery?? Do you mind expanding on that a bit. Maybe just explain a little bit, in detail, how that works specifically. Like, oh I don't know, how the archer pulls the arrow back without using arms or hands. I'm curious how that works.
Oh, I have already guessed that there are a lot of things you don't know, so please don't shout...
Look here.
Or you can look at the IBSA site for blind shooters.
Or...
The only thing that you cannot find are smart Trump voters.
I didn't ask for blind shooters. Being blind has nothing to do with the topic, since sports are a physical activity. Blindness is a sight issue, not a muscle issue. I asked if you could explain how any of those sports could be played by not using muscle. You answer is there are blind shooters???
When explaining how these sports are performed without muscle use please don't leave out the good stuff. I would like to hear, in your own words, exactly how that works.
You last sentence reminds me of an article I read earlier about a certain someone who was very ill prepared and very uninformed about his current trip overseas. You and he have one thing in common. "A cascade of errors". That is their direct quote.
shadowarcher28 wrote:
i mean extreme ironing (Extreme ironing - Wikipedia) is a sport, why not chess?
For exactly all the reasons already mentioned. Nothing has changed, nothing is different. All the reasons are still the same.
Jun 14, 2021
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#248
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.
Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?
Monopoly and Clue are games of luck, chess is not.
Luck has nothing to do with defining a sport or game. Under the definition of sport, why do they never include checkers or soduko? Are those games of luck too?
The REASON the dictionary doesn't say "including but not limited to" is because it doesn't apply. Sometimes the dictionary DOES say that, if it applies. Here is does not. It's not mentioned because all sports are athletic games. It's how the word is defined.
Now look up the definition of chess. What's the first the words you are likely to see? "a board game".
Checkers is a solved game, so there is no point in adding it to the Olympics.
I see. So is there some comment, some requirement, some indication that the Olympic committee only considers unsolved games for inclusion in the Olympics? You seem to be wandering off a bit. Lets try to stay on topic.
I'm pretty sure luck and whether or not a game is solved have nothing to do with an activity in the Olympics. Pretty much all sports involve some element of luck. And I'm also pretty sure none of the sports currently in the Olympics are "solved".
Well, in a board game, there is no skill required, it is 100% luck, but in a sport, it's less than 1% luck. A solved game would be boring to watch because the result would always be the same, if the result is supposed to be that someone wins, then it would be like adding coin toss to the Olympics, or if the result is a draw, then we would never have a winner.
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.
Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?
Monopoly and Clue are games of luck, chess is not.
Luck has nothing to do with defining a sport or game. Under the definition of sport, why do they never include checkers or soduko? Are those games of luck too?
The REASON the dictionary doesn't say "including but not limited to" is because it doesn't apply. Sometimes the dictionary DOES say that, if it applies. Here is does not. It's not mentioned because all sports are athletic games. It's how the word is defined.
Now look up the definition of chess. What's the first the words you are likely to see? "a board game".
Checkers is a solved game, so there is no point in adding it to the Olympics.
I see. So is there some comment, some requirement, some indication that the Olympic committee only considers unsolved games for inclusion in the Olympics? You seem to be wandering off a bit. Lets try to stay on topic.
I'm pretty sure luck and whether or not a game is solved have nothing to do with an activity in the Olympics. Pretty much all sports involve some element of luck. And I'm also pretty sure none of the sports currently in the Olympics are "solved".
Well, in a board game, there is no skill required, it is 100% luck, but in a sport, it's less than 1% luck. A solved game would be boring to watch because the result would always be the same, if the result is supposed to be that someone wins, then it would be like adding coin toss to the Olympics, or if the result is a draw, then we would never have a winner.
Really? There is no skill required in chess? What about checkers? No skill there either? What about other strategy games like Risk or Battleship? And all this time I thought chess was a game of skill.
I have to be honest, this is the very first time I heard anyone say chess is 100% luck. Sometimes I wonder about the thought process that goes into contorting enough things to try to believe chess is a sport.
patin4 wrote:
Soniasthetics schreef:
It doesn't matter if the IOC recognises it as a sport.
By definition and precedent, it's not a sport.
It is, simply the fact because it require skills.
That's not the definition of a sport, something that requires skill
Because then video games are also a sport. Please actually educate yourself and go do the smallest bit of research and look up what sport actually means.
Jun 15, 2021
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#251
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.
Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?
Monopoly and Clue are games of luck, chess is not.
Luck has nothing to do with defining a sport or game. Under the definition of sport, why do they never include checkers or soduko? Are those games of luck too?
The REASON the dictionary doesn't say "including but not limited to" is because it doesn't apply. Sometimes the dictionary DOES say that, if it applies. Here is does not. It's not mentioned because all sports are athletic games. It's how the word is defined.
Now look up the definition of chess. What's the first the words you are likely to see? "a board game".
Checkers is a solved game, so there is no point in adding it to the Olympics.
I see. So is there some comment, some requirement, some indication that the Olympic committee only considers unsolved games for inclusion in the Olympics? You seem to be wandering off a bit. Lets try to stay on topic.
I'm pretty sure luck and whether or not a game is solved have nothing to do with an activity in the Olympics. Pretty much all sports involve some element of luck. And I'm also pretty sure none of the sports currently in the Olympics are "solved".
Well, in a board game, there is no skill required, it is 100% luck, but in a sport, it's less than 1% luck. A solved game would be boring to watch because the result would always be the same, if the result is supposed to be that someone wins, then it would be like adding coin toss to the Olympics, or if the result is a draw, then we would never have a winner.
Really? There is no skill required in chess? What about checkers? No skill there either? What about other strategy games like Risk or Battleship? And all this time I thought chess was a game of skill.
I have to be honest, this is the very first time I heard anyone say chess is 100% luck. Sometimes I wonder about the thought process that goes into contorting enough things to try to believe chess is a sport.
I never said that chess is 100% luck, I said that board games are 100% luck, chess is a sport not a board game. Checkers is a solved game, you just have to have enough skill to be able to memorize moves. Battleship is 99% luck, and in risk, there are 5 dice and some cards, there is at least some luck involved. You are right, in a board game it isn't 100% luck, but there is some luck involved.
Jun 15, 2021
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#252
Soniasthetics schreef:
patin4 wrote:
Soniasthetics schreef:
It doesn't matter if the IOC recognises it as a sport.
By definition and precedent, it's not a sport.
It is, simply the fact because it require skills.
That's not the definition of a sport, something that requires skill
Because then video games are also a sport. Please actually educate yourself and go do the smallest bit of research and look up what sport actually means.
I actually did that is where i started the discussion. It's a discussion... Oxford Dictionary defines sport as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or a team competes against another or others for entertainment". By the latter definition, hunting does not qualify as a sport because it does not involve competition." That's why i use the word skills, i know chess is not a game or sport that actually for the majority needs certain physical exertion, but.... mentally healthiness and physical healthiness are both needed (you can not play good chess when you are physical not in shape in my opinion, they coordinate with each other) and i say most of what now recognized is as sport are decided by mental aspects, and that is what chess is all about...??
Jun 15, 2021
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#253
patin4 wrote:
Soniasthetics schreef:
patin4 wrote:
Soniasthetics schreef:
It doesn't matter if the IOC recognises it as a sport.
By definition and precedent, it's not a sport.
It is, simply the fact because it require skills.
That's not the definition of a sport, something that requires skill
Because then video games are also a sport. Please actually educate yourself and go do the smallest bit of research and look up what sport actually means.
I actually did that is where i started the discussion. It's a discussion... Oxford diary: Oxford Dictionary defines sport as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or a team competes against another or others for entertainment". By the latter definition, hunting does not qualify as a sport because it does not involve competition." That's why i use the word skills, i know chess is not a game or sport that actually for the majority needs certain physical exertion, but.... mentally healthiness and physical healthiness are both needed (you can play good chess when you are physical not in shape in my opinion, they coordinate with each other) and i say most of what now recognized is as sport are decided by mental aspects, and that is what chess is all about...??
Well in the Merriam Webster dictionary, the definition of sport is: a particular activity (such as an athletic game) so engaged in.
Tristan-Gurjot214 έγραψε:
Checkers is a solved game, you just have to have enough skill to be able to memorize moves.
Well, zero chances for any human to memorize the solution of English checkers, and anyway the official competitive checkers (played on 100-square board) isn't solved yet.
Jun 15, 2021
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#255
pfren schreef:
Tristan-Gurjot214 έγραψε:
Checkers is a solved game, you just have to have enough skill to be able to memorize moves.
Well, zero chances for any human to memorize the solution of English checkers, and anyway the official competitive checkers (played on 100-square board) isn't solved yet.
football/ soccer is called i suppose is a solved game either if everyone is doing what they supposed to do and are computers its a draw....???
Jun 15, 2021
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#256
patin4 wrote:
pfren schreef:
Tristan-Gurjot214 έγραψε:
Checkers is a solved game, you just have to have enough skill to be able to memorize moves.
Well, zero chances for any human to memorize the solution of English checkers, and anyway the official competitive checkers (played on 100-square board) isn't solved yet.
football/ soccer is called i suppose is a solved game either if everyone is doing what they supposed to do and are computers its a draw....???
how can a physical sport ever be solved? football relies on the skill, physicality, mentality, chemistry, etc, of the players, which varies greatly amongst every single person on the field. As opposed to chess where there's a finite number of possible moves and games (granted that number is huge but it's still limited)
Chess should be in the olympics
Jun 15, 2021
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#258
pfren wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 έγραψε:
Checkers is a solved game, you just have to have enough skill to be able to memorize moves.
Well, zero chances for any human to memorize the solution of English checkers, and anyway the official competitive checkers (played on 100-square board) isn't solved yet.
What is the official competitive checkers?
Jun 15, 2021
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#259
Why is posting in the chess.com forums not at the olympics? Seems fairly competitive. Requires some physical and mental effort. Well, maybe. PEDs are allowed, no drug testing to bother about.
Really?? I didn't know curling is a sport that requires no muscle use. Shooting and archery also huh? Thats amazing. So quadrapalegics and people with no muscle use can actively engage in, and even excel at curling and archery?? Do you mind expanding on that a bit. Maybe just explain a little bit, in detail, how that works specifically. Like, oh I don't know, how the archer pulls the arrow back without using arms or hands. I'm curious how that works.
Oh, I have already guessed that there are a lot of things you don't know, so please don't shout...
Look here.
Or you can look at the IBSA site for blind shooters.
Or...
The only thing that you cannot find are smart Trump voters.