Why is chess not at the olympics?

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AunTheKnight
icyboyyy wrote:
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ChesswithNickolay wrote:
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brianchesscake wrote:
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Because the Olympic Games do not have board games. They have competitions that are exciting and fun to watch.

There are plenty of competitions in the Olympics that are not "fun to watch" (e.g. curling, water polo, and some others that almost nobody watches). Chess, by contrast, has a broad range of viewership and is more complex in terms of strategy than many "sports" at the Olympics.

No. 

As boring as curling is, it's still more fun to watch than chess. Curling is a physical activity that requires skill. So it's a sporting event. Chess is not. Chess is a board game. To get chess into the Olympics is going to require a fairly substantial bribe. Not impossible, it could be done. But the viewership will be incredibly low, ratings will suffer, accusations will be made, and excuses will follow. 

There is no reason chess couldn't be in the Olympics. It is a game. Scrabble or Clue could be in the Olympics too. It's all about money. And since there isn't much money in chess, chances are the bribes will not be large enough make a difference. 

Chess is the most popular one and chess actually is really hard to master, unlike "scrambled eggs"

I don't know how it compares in popularity, but I definitely agree it's very difficult to master. But that's also part of the reason it would not do very well at the Olympics. It's a game that's too difficult. The vast majority of people watching would have zero or almost zero appreciation for it. They would say "that is not a sport, it's two people sitting in a chair for hours staring at a board" Then they would change the channel to something more exciting, like beach volleyball or something. 

People can appreciate the difficulty of sports. They can relate to it, they can SEE it. It plays out well on TV. But chess and other board games don't. The average person cannot relate to how difficult chess is because they can't SEE the difficulty. There are no body motions that are particularly impressive. 

Watching someone hit a homerun in baseball is impressive. Watching someone move a chess piece 4 inches is not. 

You want popularity? Many people play chess, and watching someone make 1 move out of a million combinations that changes the game sounds exciting to me. Queen's Gambit is your example on how many people actually watch chess.

People watched Queens Gambit because it was fictional. They didn't watch it because it's real. People don't like to watch real chess. It's boring, and when it's been tried, ratings are always very low. 

The popularity of Queens Gambit isn't the chess. It's the story. People love stories like that. Jessica Lauser is probably who was the inspiration for the story. She had a troubled childhood, she learned to play chess, eventually becoming a US champion. And also studied Russian. Sound like Beth Harmon?

Except Jessica Lauser is legally blind. She can't identify the pieces on the board with sight. But even she realizes chess is a board game, even though she is able to play without the pieces or board. She can simply visualize the game, and play accordingly. No sport can be done that way. 

She also said "it was just a game like Monopoly or Parcheesi".  Given how good she is, she probably has an appreciation that elevates the game above those two. But, it's still just a board game. 

So no, people don't like to watch chess. They like to watch STORIES about people and chess. 

The Queen’s Gambit was a book from 1983. When was Jessica Lauser born?

I don't know. But I wasn't talking about the book. I was responding to the comment about people watching the movie. Not reading a book. You would have to ask the people who made the movie how much was from a book, and how much was from other sources. But it is interesting the similarities between Jessica Lauser and Beth Harmon. The two main differences are Jessica (the real person) is blind (can play chess using only her mind) and that she has called chess a board game like Monopoly or Parcheesi. 

I would say if you can do it using only your mind, it's not a sport. Because if using only your mind is the criteria, thinking about what to make for dinner is a sport. 

The series is based entirely off the book. Say someone plays baseball in his head. Does that not make it a sport?

you can't play baseball in your head, you can only do that by dreaming. it's not like you can say "home run," and the batter hits a home run. but in chess, you can simply say 1. e4 to make your move. 

Ah. Got it. You cannot say checkmate though and someone gets checkmated.

AunTheKnight
icyboyyy wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:
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lfPatriotGames wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
brianchesscake wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Because the Olympic Games do not have board games. They have competitions that are exciting and fun to watch.

There are plenty of competitions in the Olympics that are not "fun to watch" (e.g. curling, water polo, and some others that almost nobody watches). Chess, by contrast, has a broad range of viewership and is more complex in terms of strategy than many "sports" at the Olympics.

No. 

As boring as curling is, it's still more fun to watch than chess. Curling is a physical activity that requires skill. So it's a sporting event. Chess is not. Chess is a board game. To get chess into the Olympics is going to require a fairly substantial bribe. Not impossible, it could be done. But the viewership will be incredibly low, ratings will suffer, accusations will be made, and excuses will follow. 

There is no reason chess couldn't be in the Olympics. It is a game. Scrabble or Clue could be in the Olympics too. It's all about money. And since there isn't much money in chess, chances are the bribes will not be large enough make a difference. 

Chess is the most popular one and chess actually is really hard to master, unlike "scrambled eggs"

I don't know how it compares in popularity, but I definitely agree it's very difficult to master. But that's also part of the reason it would not do very well at the Olympics. It's a game that's too difficult. The vast majority of people watching would have zero or almost zero appreciation for it. They would say "that is not a sport, it's two people sitting in a chair for hours staring at a board" Then they would change the channel to something more exciting, like beach volleyball or something. 

People can appreciate the difficulty of sports. They can relate to it, they can SEE it. It plays out well on TV. But chess and other board games don't. The average person cannot relate to how difficult chess is because they can't SEE the difficulty. There are no body motions that are particularly impressive. 

Watching someone hit a homerun in baseball is impressive. Watching someone move a chess piece 4 inches is not. 

You want popularity? Many people play chess, and watching someone make 1 move out of a million combinations that changes the game sounds exciting to me. Queen's Gambit is your example on how many people actually watch chess.

People watched Queens Gambit because it was fictional. They didn't watch it because it's real. People don't like to watch real chess. It's boring, and when it's been tried, ratings are always very low. 

The popularity of Queens Gambit isn't the chess. It's the story. People love stories like that. Jessica Lauser is probably who was the inspiration for the story. She had a troubled childhood, she learned to play chess, eventually becoming a US champion. And also studied Russian. Sound like Beth Harmon?

Except Jessica Lauser is legally blind. She can't identify the pieces on the board with sight. But even she realizes chess is a board game, even though she is able to play without the pieces or board. She can simply visualize the game, and play accordingly. No sport can be done that way. 

She also said "it was just a game like Monopoly or Parcheesi".  Given how good she is, she probably has an appreciation that elevates the game above those two. But, it's still just a board game. 

So no, people don't like to watch chess. They like to watch STORIES about people and chess. 

The Queen’s Gambit was a book from 1983. When was Jessica Lauser born?

I don't know. But I wasn't talking about the book. I was responding to the comment about people watching the movie. Not reading a book. You would have to ask the people who made the movie how much was from a book, and how much was from other sources. But it is interesting the similarities between Jessica Lauser and Beth Harmon. The two main differences are Jessica (the real person) is blind (can play chess using only her mind) and that she has called chess a board game like Monopoly or Parcheesi. 

I would say if you can do it using only your mind, it's not a sport. Because if using only your mind is the criteria, thinking about what to make for dinner is a sport. 

The series is based entirely off the book. Say someone plays baseball in his head. Does that not make it a sport?

you can't play baseball in your head, you can only do that by dreaming. it's not like you can say "home run," and the batter hits a home run. but in chess, you can simply say 1. e4 to make your move. 

Ah. Got it. You cannot say checkmate though and someone gets checkmated.

but you can just say "queen takes f7 mate"

You can say “hits the ball out of the park and gets home run.” Never mind, you cannot say that lol

AunTheKnight
icyboyyy wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
brianchesscake wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Because the Olympic Games do not have board games. They have competitions that are exciting and fun to watch.

There are plenty of competitions in the Olympics that are not "fun to watch" (e.g. curling, water polo, and some others that almost nobody watches). Chess, by contrast, has a broad range of viewership and is more complex in terms of strategy than many "sports" at the Olympics.

No. 

As boring as curling is, it's still more fun to watch than chess. Curling is a physical activity that requires skill. So it's a sporting event. Chess is not. Chess is a board game. To get chess into the Olympics is going to require a fairly substantial bribe. Not impossible, it could be done. But the viewership will be incredibly low, ratings will suffer, accusations will be made, and excuses will follow. 

There is no reason chess couldn't be in the Olympics. It is a game. Scrabble or Clue could be in the Olympics too. It's all about money. And since there isn't much money in chess, chances are the bribes will not be large enough make a difference. 

Chess is the most popular one and chess actually is really hard to master, unlike "scrambled eggs"

I don't know how it compares in popularity, but I definitely agree it's very difficult to master. But that's also part of the reason it would not do very well at the Olympics. It's a game that's too difficult. The vast majority of people watching would have zero or almost zero appreciation for it. They would say "that is not a sport, it's two people sitting in a chair for hours staring at a board" Then they would change the channel to something more exciting, like beach volleyball or something. 

People can appreciate the difficulty of sports. They can relate to it, they can SEE it. It plays out well on TV. But chess and other board games don't. The average person cannot relate to how difficult chess is because they can't SEE the difficulty. There are no body motions that are particularly impressive. 

Watching someone hit a homerun in baseball is impressive. Watching someone move a chess piece 4 inches is not. 

You want popularity? Many people play chess, and watching someone make 1 move out of a million combinations that changes the game sounds exciting to me. Queen's Gambit is your example on how many people actually watch chess.

People watched Queens Gambit because it was fictional. They didn't watch it because it's real. People don't like to watch real chess. It's boring, and when it's been tried, ratings are always very low. 

The popularity of Queens Gambit isn't the chess. It's the story. People love stories like that. Jessica Lauser is probably who was the inspiration for the story. She had a troubled childhood, she learned to play chess, eventually becoming a US champion. And also studied Russian. Sound like Beth Harmon?

Except Jessica Lauser is legally blind. She can't identify the pieces on the board with sight. But even she realizes chess is a board game, even though she is able to play without the pieces or board. She can simply visualize the game, and play accordingly. No sport can be done that way. 

She also said "it was just a game like Monopoly or Parcheesi".  Given how good she is, she probably has an appreciation that elevates the game above those two. But, it's still just a board game. 

So no, people don't like to watch chess. They like to watch STORIES about people and chess. 

The Queen’s Gambit was a book from 1983. When was Jessica Lauser born?

I don't know. But I wasn't talking about the book. I was responding to the comment about people watching the movie. Not reading a book. You would have to ask the people who made the movie how much was from a book, and how much was from other sources. But it is interesting the similarities between Jessica Lauser and Beth Harmon. The two main differences are Jessica (the real person) is blind (can play chess using only her mind) and that she has called chess a board game like Monopoly or Parcheesi. 

I would say if you can do it using only your mind, it's not a sport. Because if using only your mind is the criteria, thinking about what to make for dinner is a sport. 

The series is based entirely off the book. Say someone plays baseball in his head. Does that not make it a sport?

you can't play baseball in your head, you can only do that by dreaming. it's not like you can say "home run," and the batter hits a home run. but in chess, you can simply say 1. e4 to make your move. 

Ah. Got it. You cannot say checkmate though and someone gets checkmated.

but you can just say "queen takes f7 mate"

You can say “hits the ball out of the park and gets home run.” Never mind, you cannot say that lol

unless you have telekinetic powers, but we don't, sadge

True. I can teleport though.

AunTheKnight

I’m not lying.

SparkyChessTiger
albacored wrote:

More broadly, what value would there be in chess being at the Olympics

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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AunTheKnight
icyboyyy wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:

I’m not lying.

i ran from my living room to my bathroom in 2 seconds, therefore i can teleport

I can go from USA to India in a half-second, therefore I can teleport.

AunTheKnight
icyboyyy wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:

I’m not lying.

i ran from my living room to my bathroom in 2 seconds, therefore i can teleport

I can go from USA to India in a half-second, therefore I can teleport.

prove it

There are some constraints. For example, I have to mark the place before I go there. So essentially, I can only teleport to places I have been before which I have marked with a special serum. 

More proof:

lfPatriotGames
AunTheKnight wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
brianchesscake wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Because the Olympic Games do not have board games. They have competitions that are exciting and fun to watch.

There are plenty of competitions in the Olympics that are not "fun to watch" (e.g. curling, water polo, and some others that almost nobody watches). Chess, by contrast, has a broad range of viewership and is more complex in terms of strategy than many "sports" at the Olympics.

No. 

As boring as curling is, it's still more fun to watch than chess. Curling is a physical activity that requires skill. So it's a sporting event. Chess is not. Chess is a board game. To get chess into the Olympics is going to require a fairly substantial bribe. Not impossible, it could be done. But the viewership will be incredibly low, ratings will suffer, accusations will be made, and excuses will follow. 

There is no reason chess couldn't be in the Olympics. It is a game. Scrabble or Clue could be in the Olympics too. It's all about money. And since there isn't much money in chess, chances are the bribes will not be large enough make a difference. 

Chess is the most popular one and chess actually is really hard to master, unlike "scrambled eggs"

I don't know how it compares in popularity, but I definitely agree it's very difficult to master. But that's also part of the reason it would not do very well at the Olympics. It's a game that's too difficult. The vast majority of people watching would have zero or almost zero appreciation for it. They would say "that is not a sport, it's two people sitting in a chair for hours staring at a board" Then they would change the channel to something more exciting, like beach volleyball or something. 

People can appreciate the difficulty of sports. They can relate to it, they can SEE it. It plays out well on TV. But chess and other board games don't. The average person cannot relate to how difficult chess is because they can't SEE the difficulty. There are no body motions that are particularly impressive. 

Watching someone hit a homerun in baseball is impressive. Watching someone move a chess piece 4 inches is not. 

You want popularity? Many people play chess, and watching someone make 1 move out of a million combinations that changes the game sounds exciting to me. Queen's Gambit is your example on how many people actually watch chess.

People watched Queens Gambit because it was fictional. They didn't watch it because it's real. People don't like to watch real chess. It's boring, and when it's been tried, ratings are always very low. 

The popularity of Queens Gambit isn't the chess. It's the story. People love stories like that. Jessica Lauser is probably who was the inspiration for the story. She had a troubled childhood, she learned to play chess, eventually becoming a US champion. And also studied Russian. Sound like Beth Harmon?

Except Jessica Lauser is legally blind. She can't identify the pieces on the board with sight. But even she realizes chess is a board game, even though she is able to play without the pieces or board. She can simply visualize the game, and play accordingly. No sport can be done that way. 

She also said "it was just a game like Monopoly or Parcheesi".  Given how good she is, she probably has an appreciation that elevates the game above those two. But, it's still just a board game. 

So no, people don't like to watch chess. They like to watch STORIES about people and chess. 

The Queen’s Gambit was a book from 1983. When was Jessica Lauser born?

I don't know. But I wasn't talking about the book. I was responding to the comment about people watching the movie. Not reading a book. You would have to ask the people who made the movie how much was from a book, and how much was from other sources. But it is interesting the similarities between Jessica Lauser and Beth Harmon. The two main differences are Jessica (the real person) is blind (can play chess using only her mind) and that she has called chess a board game like Monopoly or Parcheesi. 

I would say if you can do it using only your mind, it's not a sport. Because if using only your mind is the criteria, thinking about what to make for dinner is a sport. 

The series is based entirely off the book. Say someone plays baseball in his head. Does that not make it a sport?

you can't play baseball in your head, you can only do that by dreaming. it's not like you can say "home run," and the batter hits a home run. but in chess, you can simply say 1. e4 to make your move. 

Ah. Got it. You cannot say checkmate though and someone gets checkmated.

See, it was only a matter of time before it started to make sense. Like you said, in chess, you can simply SAY checkmate and it happens. A game that is played between two players, both playing blindfold, or both playing out the game entirely in their head can do that. For example, move 24, queen to f7 checkmate. As long as the position is legal and they have both been following the rules of the game, simply SAYING it makes it happen. 

In sports, there is no such thing. You cannot say "homerun" and have a baseball get hit 400 feet. In sports, it has to actually, physically be done. In a game like chess, it does not. The differences could not be more obvious. But at least you are starting to see why. 

IMKeto
BlunderTest wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Yeas and No.  Obviously it isn't a physical sport like others, but it can be a mentally and physically exhausting game.  if i remember correctly Karpov lost something like 40lbs. in his first match with Kasparov.

I absolutely agree that chess can be grueling, especially in tough games/matches. It can be both mentally and physically draining, to sit for hours, straining oneself with peak concentration. But I still contend that it's a board game.

It's a complex, beautiful, and extremely challenging board game, for sure. A world-class board game. But still a board game, nonetheless.

No denying that

IMKeto

I just sent Jessica a message asking if there is any truth to this.

lfPatriotGames
IMBacon wrote:

I just sent Jessica a message asking if there is any truth to this.

I saw the movie, which was what the comment and question was about. I never read the book, nor knew one even existed. When making a movie I think they often add or subtract things to make it appeal to more people. I have no reason to question the movie was made based on a book. But I also wouldn't be surprised if elements were changed to make it more appealing. Jessica Lauser (or anyone else that may have provided inspiration) wouldn't have any say in that. 

Had the movie been based on chess, it would have flopped. But it was based on a story about a person. And that's what people like to watch. That's why to me it doesn't make much sense to have chess at the Olympics. Viewership would be very low, because it would be about chess, not a story about a person playing chess. 

IMKeto
lfPatriotGames wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

I just sent Jessica a message asking if there is any truth to this.

I saw the movie, which was what the comment and question was about. I never read the book, nor knew one even existed. When making a movie I think they often add or subtract things to make it appeal to more people. I have no reason to question the movie was made based on a book. But I also wouldn't be surprised if elements were changed to make it more appealing. Jessica Lauser (or anyone else that may have provided inspiration) wouldn't have any say in that. 

Had the movie been based on chess, it would have flopped. But it was based on a story about a person. And that's what people like to watch. That's why to me it doesn't make much sense to have chess at the Olympics. Viewership would be very low, because it would be about chess, not a story about a person playing chess. 

This is why when chess is portrayed they are always playing speed chess.  NO ONE wants to spend $15 on a movie ticket, and watch 2 people hunched over a board, sitting....for hours.

The series was interesting.  But i think it was interesting because of the story of the young lady and her life.  Not because of the chess.  All the chess scenes everyone was moving fast.  Why?  Because chess is boring to anyone that doesnt play it. 

lfPatriotGames

Exactly.

IMKeto

Jessica said that no she has nothing to do with the story, movie, fictional person, etc. 

Thats the readers digest version.  I would cramp up if i posted the entire answer.

Tails204

Because it is not what people call sport. In any way.

Who would prefer to watch endless draws?

jetseyterrier11

The forum got off topic lol

IMKeto
Tails204 wrote:

Because it is not what people call sport. In any way.

Who would prefer to watch endless draws?

I dont have any issue with games ending in a draw.   Many draws are very good fighting games.

jcrturtle88
I wish it was in the olympics. It would probably be the least exciting game, but people have gotten excited about chess before. Also, if it was, chess would get a boost in playing.
patin4
jcrturtle88 schreef:
I wish it was in the olympics. It would probably be the least exciting game, but people have gotten excited about chess before. Also, if it was, chess would get a boost in playing.

Why not, shooting is at the olympics?

patin4

2024 it will be at olympics?