George Orwell 1984 and Chess

I find Orwell a most intriguing character. While he seemed to suffer from paranoia , he was one of those that actually had also reasons to be paranoid at times. So it becomes hard to distinguish his mental struggles with inspiration and criticism. 
He is also quite controversial at times, once you dig into the man. He wrote a review of an uthor where he claimed to have some weird admiration for... Hitler. Controversial on any context.
But given the turmoil of the world of his time and the several ongoing changes at the time on many levels it gives some clarity to his works. Many, most of his concerns at the time are as relevant today as they were then. 
Interesting topic.

The National Socialist German Workers' Party was indeed a socialist ideology. While the German govt didn't have physical ownership of production, they did have de facto ownership. I recall reading about price controls, guaranteed employment assigned by the govt, and the destruction of small business taking place under what was ostensibly a war economy. 

But it always comes down to how exactly you define something. It's easy for some academics to go through life changing definitions whenever necessary to avoid any pushback against their hypothesis. Keynes himself seemed to view the political spectrum as trending from authoritarianism to the practice of laissez-faire; the collective vs. the individual. 

I don't know about Orwell, but Nazis were socialists, currently, their philosophical descendants, are also socialist but they hide under new names like progressive, woke, etc. They love totalitarianism and hate personal freedom. It is funny that these fascists call others fascists, they have no idea what they praise is exactly what they use as a swear.

100 years later, there will be a discussion on chess.com and someone would say: progressives of last century, weren't actually socialist, if you believe they were socialists then you have no idea what Marx said. Well, maybe I'm optimistic, this discussion in the future can happen only if the new totalitarian system does not extinct the human race.

I don't think you've ever read Mein Kampf or actually read the Communist manifesto to understand what you're talking about.

Hitler often talked about how he admired the socialist system that Stalin was running. in fact this was the reason Hitler wanted to invade Russia, because he was enraged at the fact that the bolsheviks did not swear loyalty to him, but rather to Russia. 

The Nazi party ran the economy under a socialist totalitarian order. The means of production in all aspects of society was directed towards the state, the state controlled production, product, currency, etc. 

The reason you also mentioned Venezuela and the USSR flippantly is because you know, that these examples completely shred your vague idea of what Socialism actually entails. Venezuela does run on a socialist government, and it's mayhem, the citizens of Venezuela are eating their dogs to survive.

But you don't need to use Venezuela, you can use Maos China, as a different example. Everywhere socialism has been implemented to a significant degree, the country sees destruction. 

And that's partly what is happening to the social democracies throughout Europe now. Countries like Sweden, Denmark, Norway, are all piggy back riding off of Americas funds, otherwise their economies would be tanking. 

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It is actually in mein kampf that Hitler mocks those who confuse the two. I reiterate, Hitler also spoke about the use of the rise of socialism. The fact that he might have used the appeal of it as a ruse when it suits him, is no reason enough to neglect all the rest of context and actions. To call it socialism in an attempt to link Nazis with Socialism or the left is either very naive at best, or deceptive at worse. This is history 101 and you're repeating an old distorted narrative, much result of McCarthyism and the decades of US propaganda. Alas, refusing all evidence and historic records is denial..

The attempts to conflate the two ( Nazis and socialism) is an old tactic used by the conservative right and of late, the far right. But anyone who has read two paragraphs on history knows best. 

The only experiment in socialism that got any close to socialism is Cuba, and they had their own spin, and victim of successive decades of embargos for no other reasons that ideological. Alas, Cubans are healthier, live longer and are much better educated than Americans .. Did I mention free healthcare.? 

I said I did not want to writ an essay. Did you ever read Marx at least? Please elaborate on your criticisms of his works instead of trying to distort history. 

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