Getting weak after learning some chess strategies

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Fevly_P

We learn to improve right? But meh? I lost 100+ ratings.

 

 

I learn some strategy themes behind the chess playing (Bishop and Knight stuff), but instead of improving I made so many fundamental mistakes.

What is even worse that I couldn't think correctly during playing because of busy finding some moves related to what I have learnt before plus Its kinda wasting time figuring it out (the move).

 

 

Anybody encouter this kind of thing too?

Fevly_P
jengaias wrote:
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jengaias wrote:

I have encountered it a lot in people that play blitz.

Awesome. I have a perfectly moral charachter.

New troll in the neighborhood.God help us.

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incorrectname
Fevly_P wrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaiaswrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaias wrote:

I have encountered it a lot in people that play blitz.

Awesome. I have a perfectly moral charachter.

New troll in the neighborhood.God help us.

You may be wondering if this is a person or a computer responding. 

No I don't.There can't be a computer so stupid.

LOL why you're talking to yo self :D

       He changed his name to ForumBot in some quotes 

Fevly_P
incorrectname wrote:
Fevly_P wrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaiaswrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaias wrote:

I have encountered it a lot in people that play blitz.

Awesome. I have a perfectly moral charachter.

New troll in the neighborhood.God help us.

You may be wondering if this is a person or a computer responding. 

No I don't.There can't be a computer so stupid.

LOL why you're talking to yo self :D

       He changed his name to ForumBot in some quotes 

He?????? How so? btw some posts are not even here, where they went?

kingcobra07

Fevly, there is going to be an integration period whenever you add to your learning and you can't expect to pull it all off in the same time frame, right away at least.  So this would be quite normal, and suggests that you may want to choose longer time controls, for now anyway, to give you the extra time you need to look at the game more strategically or whatever, in addition to your normal thought processes.  Eventually, when these new thought processes become more second nature, you then may be able to go back to your normal speed, on the other hand you may choose not to, due to the greater riches of more time, provided one has the means and the desire to seek them.

Fevly_P

@kingcobra07, yes thanks, actually I posted this kind of question on another forum site and a Fide Master there said it's normal since your brain is trying to adapt new lesson and ignoring current patterns in your brain, there you made fundamental mistakes.

 

I think once our brains get used to it then the benefit will come

kingcobra07

I think that the benefit may come right away actually, just not under the same conditions.  I actually think that the bigger problem here isn't the integration, it's the fact that players seek out inferior conditions where they are self limiting their thought processes by choosing fast time controls.  This may be fun and more fun to some but it's not the healthiest way to develop one's game and at the very least one should seek out a good balance between thinking games and reacting ones.

SpiritoftheVictory
Fevly_P wrote:

We learn to improve right? But meh? I lost 100+ ratings.

 

 

I learn some strategy themes behind the chess playing (Bishop and Knight stuff), but instead of improving I made so many fundamental mistakes.

What is even worse that I couldn't think correctly during playing because of busy finding some moves related to what I have learnt before plus Its kinda wasting time figuring it out (the move).

 

 

Anybody encouter this kind of thing too?

This is normal. It takes time to get rid of the old knowledge and replace it with the new one. Happened to me too. In fact, some titled players say that you literally have to demolish the old bad foundation and build a new one to improve. Good luck in your quest for improvement!

AIM-AceMove

Its even worst for openings isn't? You play bad openings whole life then switch  to more common sound lines and first you lose hundreds of games to weaker players that know them very well. Anand probably will lose some games to IM's and low GM's if he does not reply with 1..e5 to 1.e4

Fevly_P
SpiritoftheVictory wrote:
Fevly_P wrote:

We learn to improve right? But meh? I lost 100+ ratings.

 

 

I learn some strategy themes behind the chess playing (Bishop and Knight stuff), but instead of improving I made so many fundamental mistakes.

What is even worse that I couldn't think correctly during playing because of busy finding some moves related to what I have learnt before plus Its kinda wasting time figuring it out (the move).

 

 

Anybody encouter this kind of thing too?

This is normal. It takes time to get rid of the old knowledge and replace it with the new one. Happened to me too. In fact, some titled players say that you literally have to demolish the old bad foundation and build a new one to improve. Good luck in your quest for improvement!

Exactly, this is probably what he meant by stating that.

ChessOfPlayer

Relax. You are you only experiencing a temporary slump. You are learning and your understanding is improving and your rating will soon reflect.

MrWayne

I find the new book knowledge sometimes hurts as you are so hot to try out the new concepts you apply them to the wrong situation

Fevly_P
MrWayne wrote:

I find the new book knowledge sometimes hurts as you are so hot to try out the new concepts you apply them to the wrong situation

Agree.

bsharpchess
jengaias wrote:

I have encountered it a lot in people that play blitz.

maybe playing longer games would help that problem....plus you can go back over your game, right? that helps me a lot. To go back and see where I first made bad moves, etc....and playing the same player over and over also helps because both of you can discuss your moves and suggest corrections........etc...

bsharpchess
jengaias wrote:
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jengaias wrote:

I have encountered it a lot in people that play blitz.

Awesome. I have a perfectly moral charachter.

New troll in the neighborhood.God help us.

WOW!! a perfectly moral character? how do you accomplish that? Is there a pill for that?  lol 

bsharpchess
kingcobra07 wrote:

I think that the benefit may come right away actually, just not under the same conditions.  I actually think that the bigger problem here isn't the integration, it's the fact that players seek out inferior conditions where they are self limiting their thought processes by choosing fast time controls.  This may be fun and more fun to some but it's not the healthiest way to develop one's game and at the very least one should seek out a good balance between thinking games and reacting ones.

thank you so much!! that really helped me....I enjoy fast games because it makes me think quicker....I think that develops synapses in my brain...hope so anyway. But you made a great point. I need to mix it up with longer games so I can exert more energy to applying the techniques, chess precepts, strategy, etc and should make fewer mistakes. Thank you again.

smshadowman
Fevly_P wrote:
incorrectname wrote:
Fevly_P wrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaiaswrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaias wrote:

I have encountered it a lot in people that play blitz.

Awesome. I have a perfectly moral charachter.

New troll in the neighborhood.God help us.

You may be wondering if this is a person or a computer responding. 

No I don't.There can't be a computer so stupid.

LOL why you're talking to yo self :D

       He changed his name to ForumBot in some quotes 

He?????? How so? btw some posts are not even here, where they went?

 

I think there was a spambot called forumbot that was replying nonsense to jengaias's posts. The forumbot eventually was likely banned/deleted by the chess.com staff, and all of its posts were also deleted with it.  I saw this happen in some other threads also.   So originally that looked more like a real conversation, until the in-between posts were deleted making it look like someone arguing with themselves! :-D

Fevly_P
smshadowman wrote:
Fevly_P wrote:
incorrectname wrote:
Fevly_P wrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaiaswrote:
jengaias wrote:
jengaias wrote:

I have encountered it a lot in people that play blitz.

Awesome. I have a perfectly moral charachter.

New troll in the neighborhood.God help us.

You may be wondering if this is a person or a computer responding. 

No I don't.There can't be a computer so stupid.

LOL why you're talking to yo self :D

       He changed his name to ForumBot in some quotes 

He?????? How so? btw some posts are not even here, where they went?

 

I think there was a spambot called forumbot that was replying nonsense to jengaias's posts. The forumbot eventually was likely banned/deleted by the chess.com staff, and all of its posts were also deleted with it.  I saw this happen in some other threads also.   So originally that looked more like a real conversation, until the in-between posts were deleted making it look like someone arguing with themselves! :-D

was that an engine programmed to auto reply or just a human trolling around?