Go VS Chess

Edward Lasker introduced Emanuel Lasker to Go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lasker

(See the entry about Go.)

Exactly, but I also addressed that too. If the same done to popularize chess is done to Go, I'm sure similar results will accrue.

I do not think that is what he said. He said

"fuseki is the first step of the game, fuseki starts when the first stone is put on the board, in fuseki you set your territory and influence while your opponent do the same, it ends when the first fight begins, then comes the chuban (or middle game), then, at the end comes the yose"

He also said:

in chess fuseki peopple can mate in 4 turns or castle the king or do amazing things, to do so lot of peopple use "the moves of the books" or "the moves thar pros have invented", in Go, those moves (or chains of moves) are called josekis :) 

There are recurring / known patterns to this though.  How far out it's studied / memorized I have no idea.

When my brother played, he would talk about this or that move is joseki (although this is years ago, and I may not have understood correctly).

I wonder if the go playing programs use an "opening book" as in chess.

joseki are chains of moves as tactical patterns, not opening lines.

Oh. 

Then there are not many named "joseki" in chess, and all of them have the goal of checkmate in mind. For example, the Greek Gift.

Allow me to edit:

joseki are chains of moves as tactical patterns, not NECESSARILY opening lines.

It is hard to compare, since go obviously does not have the equivalent of "mate". Imagine confining your concentration to a particular corner or side of a go board (but usually corner). Joseki are the different discovered and explored patterns of play to gain control of that small area.

Since play can may shift across the board, joseki can be paused, or even abandoned for play in other areas.

They are not as set in stone as they are in chess.

This link should get the idea across:

http://senseis.xmp.net/?Joseki

Hmm... I see.

Alright then, I resign.

My understanding of this is that basically fuseki = opening stage whereas joseki are standard sequences of local plays that in some sense are considered fair.

Most often joseki occur during fuseki starting from empty corner although some non-fuseki sequences may also be referred as joseki. The most subtle point in the above definition of the joseki is the use of the word fair. Because of the local nature of the joseki it may well happen that a joseki that is locally fair may turn out to have catastrophic consequences when considering the whole board. Thus the real art in employing Joseki lies in choosing the correct joseki with respect to the global situation rather than just memorising them.

That is a good explanation shakaali.

"Defensa Siciliana" can be considered a "joseki" in chess, its a pattern that both players can study and they play it because they know those are correct moves, it olso can give some avantage over the one who hadnt study the pattern

(the definition given by VULPES_VULPES of Fuseki was right :D, lot of josekis are played in fuseki because most of them (not all) avoid fights, you dont want to figh before getting strong, in chess you have a lot of strengh at the begining because you have a whole army at the beggining xD but its not enought, you use many moves to "configure" that army in a way you feel ready to atack (like "Mate Pastor"  in chess) or castle the king, that "time for preparation" is fuseki)

they do and generally cpu count has a "joseki´s dicctionary" but most of times they play thos patterns just because they are joseki, thats considered mistake because you need to understand the gloval situation to chose the righ joseki to play

Vulpes, that will teach you to stop resigning! It should also teach you to stop viewing conversations as competitions about who is "right". Every time I talk to you, you make it a battle...

Can't we exchange ideas without it being a battle?

I'm sorry if my communication style is like that to you. I don't mean it to be a battle, I was just sharing my thoughts. I might also commit other faux pas because I have been diagnosed as autistic. Again, apologies for my past and future aggressiveness.

Also, when have we ever spoken before, and do you want me to resign or not?

Jimmykay wrote:

Vulpes, that will teach you to stop resigning! It should also teach you to stop viewing conversations as competitions about who is "right". Every time I talk to you, you make it a battle...

Can't we exchange ideas without it being a battle?

Please don't use "being diagnosed with autism" as a joke or false excuse, as I believe you are using it right now, especially on the Internet where it is difficult to detect sarcasm. To say people are rude because they have autism is an unfair stereotype of an actual disability. It's ignorant and offensive.

No problem, Vulpes! I appreciate your honesty. I like the way you think, but do not like when every conversation turns to a battle of correctness. Peace!

But I actually am. You'll just have to take my word for it.

awesomechess1729 wrote:

VULPES_VULPES wrote:

I'm sorry if my communication style is like that to you. I don't mean it to be a battle, I was just sharing my thoughts. I might also commit other faux pas because I have been diagnosed as autistic. Again, apologies for my past and future aggressiveness.

Also, when have we ever spoken before, and do you want me to resign or not?

Jimmykay wrote:

Vulpes, that will teach you to stop resigning! It should also teach you to stop viewing conversations as competitions about who is "right". Every time I talk to you, you make it a battle...

Can't we exchange ideas without it being a battle?

Please don't use "being diagnosed with autism" as a joke or false excuse, as I believe you are using it right now, especially on the Internet where it is difficult to detect sarcasm. To say people are rude because they have autism is an unfair stereotype of an actual disability. It's ignorant and offensive.