Good Friend on Chess.com Account Closed for Cheating

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BryanCFB

My good friend's Chess.com account has been closed for cheating.  He is in the top 100 on the United States Chess Federation Correspondence Chess list.  He happens to be an exceptionally strong correspondence player.  I've known him for years, and I know he is not the type to cheat.  He wouldn't have anything to gain by cheating here on Chess.com anyway.  He was only playing online chess here to pass the time while he was awaiting his USCF Correspondence Finals Group. 

The cheating detection software here on Chess.com obviously isn't always accurate.  I wouldn't think his live chess ratings here on Chess.com were taken into account, as I think it is quite common to have a much higher online than live chess rating here, but in case it did here are some numbers.  He didn't have many games, but his live chess ratings were much lower than his online chess rating of 2092.  I believe his online record was 36-0, and his average opponent rating was steadily rising.  It is similar to the disparity between his USCF over the board rating and his USCF correspondence rating,  which is approximately 500 points.  He is not nearly as strong when having to "rush" moves, but when given time he plays exceptional chess. 

Chess.com really blew it with this one.  My friend has been labeled as a cheater, which is completely unwarranted, and that is a shame.

Pashak1989

chess.com takes cheating very seriously

wanmokewan

They don't ban people frivolously. Your friend is welcome to email the staff to dispute the claim. Posting here is a waste of time and this thread will be locked.

BryanCFB
Pashak1989 wrote:

chess.com takes cheating very seriously

As they should, but unfortunately their methods aren't foolproof.  They messed up with this one.

dpnorman

Long story short: your appeal will fail. You migut be right, or wrong. But you're not changing the minds of the people at chess.com.

BryanCFB
wanmokewan wrote:

They don't ban people frivolously. Your friend is welcome to email the staff to dispute the claim. Posting here is a waste of time and this thread will be locked.

I don't think he cares enough to dispute it at this point, but it really bothers me because when I was actively playing online chess here, and having success, I was always concerned I would get erroneously banned for cheating.  I was never labeled a cheater by Chess.com though so I guess my moves never quite reached that level of suspicion.Smile

And it would not surprise me in the least if this thread is locked or deleted.  I just wanted to get my frustration off my chest while it is fresh on my mind.

BryanCFB
dpnorman wrote:

Long story short: your appeal will fail. You migut be right, or wrong. But you're not changing the minds of the people at chess.com.

Yes.  I am inclined to agree with you.

nikoBelicAK

By cheetah. If they close account then there is 10 times more than enough proof.

BryanCFB
nikoBelicAK wrote:

By cheetah. If they close account then there is 10 times more than enough proof.

Yes.  10 x 0 does equal 0.

urk
If you're a top correspondence player then your moves must be very close to perfect.
It would seem that all top correspondence players would be in danger of being accused so I don't really get it.
BryanCFB
urk wrote:
If you're a top correspondence player then your moves must be very close to perfect.
It would seem that all top correspondence players would be in danger of being accused so I don't really get it.

I don't really understand it either.  Despite my friend's credentials I don't think there's any doubt the top online chess players on this site would clean his clock.  Yet no cheating bans come their way.  That's because they're not cheating, just like him.  So why him and not them?  What is the criteria?  After all computer software (cheating detection) doesn't show any bias.

The_Chin_Of_Quinn

You're not banned for playing very strong moves, you're banned for playing like an engine. There's a difference.

I had an account here with close to 50 wins and zero losses in correspondence (many lower rated players too, which I'm sure helped many of my moves match the engine) and I wasn't banned.

Pashak1989

There are guys who have records of 300 wins and 6 loses and they are not banned. There are other with records like 45-0 or 50-0 and they are still here. 

 

I don't think they just banned him without any proof. I believe they analyzed many of his games and in all those games the coincidence with an engine was too high. 

But anyway you can write them privately, they will explain you why your friend was kicked out. 

The_Chin_Of_Quinn
BryanCFB wrote:
I was never labeled a cheater by Chess.com though so I guess my moves never quite reached that level of suspicion.

For starters, as a base line they use engine match % for pre computer era world champion matches. Not just the first engine move, but also #2, #3, #4 (maybe more). So it shouldn't be a surprise you didn't out preform people like Capablanca, Alekhine, Botvinnik, etc. happy.png

Ghostliner
BryanCFB wrote:

 

Chess.com really blew it with this one.  My friend has been labeled as a cheater, which is completely unwarranted, and that is a shame.

You cannot possibly know this.

Chess.com won't reveal its detection method but my understanding is that it's pretty robust and relies on statistical methods which are known to be reliable. Put it this way: the method will involve analysing at least twenty games and if someone is achieving accuracy levels that improve on those of elite GMs it's perfectly safe and reasonable to assume that person is using an engine.

The_Chin_Of_Quinn
Ghostliner wrote:
BryanCFB wrote:

 

Chess.com really blew it with this one.  My friend has been labeled as a cheater, which is completely unwarranted, and that is a shame.

You cannot possibly know this.

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Also this. 

Ghostliner

True, but I'm not questioning the decision. You need a good reason to do that, and "He's my mate" doesn't qualify.

The_Chin_Of_Quinn

I'm agreeing. I'm saying you said it very well.

Ghostliner

Ok, my apologies.

BryanCFB
Pashak1989 wrote:

There are guys who have records of 300 wins and 6 loses and they are not banned. There are other with records like 45-0 or 50-0 and they are still here. 

 

I don't think they just banned him without any proof. I believe they analyzed many of his games and in all those games the coincidence with an engine was too high. 

But anyway you can write them privately, they will explain you why your friend was kicked out. 

Thanks.  And I am planning on writing them.

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