Hans confirmed to be cheating by chess.com (CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND DAMNING EVIDENCE)

People aren't banned because of upsets. You're imagining situations that don't exist then getting upset over them.

He cheated online many times and then lied about it. I personally don't think he did OTB, but he still shouldn't be aloud to play there. And yes, there is quite a lot of evidence for his cheating online. His actions online clearly state that he's a proven cheater and will cheat at any chance he gets. Why do we want this type of person in tournaments?

That's a good point. I still do not understand the "yeah, but he only cheated online in events for money" excuse. So we could have the same people, the same game, the same rules, the same prize fund, the same everything but one example of cheating is excused while the identical circumstances in another example is not. I just don't get it. 

So far not a single Hans defender has been able to explain this. I do understand that cheating in a casual game is not the same caliber as cheating for money, or cheating in an official event. But I just dont get why cheating in a money event online is ok, and somehow that doesn't have any impact in an otb money event. 

Those who follow this more closely might be able to answer this. Some people have mentioned GMs that have cheated in otb events, but I don't remember the names. So are those GMs allowed to play in online events, because they only cheated otb and no proof they cheated online?

lfPatriotGames - I am NOT a Hans defender. From what I understand, he may have admitted to cheating a few times (and being caught) on chess.com. First, I do not know if ANY of these events admitted to were dual-rated with his US Chess online rating. If they were not, CLEARLY immaterial to his US Chess (and FIDE) otb games. The security at the high-level OTB US Chess events Hans plays in are generally VERY HIGH, and the TD presence is both VERY HIGH and games are constantly reviewed. In regard to your question, I have never heard of anyone being banned from an online event because of cheating accusations in an OTB event - BUT, I know
of several who have had their US Chess accounts suspended fr various periods meaning they
could not participate in either online or OTB US Chess rated events. 

llama36, no according to my US Chess ID, I have indeed directed the # of tournaments I mentioned (check your private mail inbox on chess.com), with a current toal of 6,262 sections.

That's an amazing number of tournaments.

it's just you

lmao

Both sane and insane people would say that.

So allegedly you are sane.

It's just you. There are VERY few who hate Hans. People just don't like liars and cheaters. I'll bet most people would like nothing more than to see him develop into an actual chess genius. Imagine a new, better Bobby Fischer? Who wouldn't want that?

But the problem is he cheats. Which makes it very difficult to say he's amazingly good. (at playing legitimate chess that is). 

#163: Sanity is defined by being consistent with the majority. If you genuinely believed that your sanity were atypical then it would be a good idea to consult a psychologist but you'd probably consider psychologists to be insane too.

I have multiple times they are not affiliated you just choose to put your hands over your ears.  Chess.com and fide are not the same.    https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Anti%20Cheating%20Guidelines.pdf

You will note it never once mentions casual vs for money as that is completely irrelevant to anything FIDE does.  It never once mentions chess.com or lichess or any other private company providing online chess events for money.  They only look at play in their own events.  Any private company can choose to ban anyone for any reason or even no reason at all. FIDE is held to higher public standard and one that currently only covers FIDE games.  If chess.com allowed Nieman to cheat multiple times in money events that's on Chess.com and has nothing to do with FIDE.  Thousands of titled players have been caught cheating on chess.com FIDE knows nothing about it and it doesn't need to they don't have jurisdiction over those games and cannot see the methods used.  That is chess.com's business not FIDE's .  If Hans was caught cheating in an online FIDE event then I'm sure they ban him. In fact after this controversy I see them putting into place new rules and regulation or even partnering with lichess or chess.com in this endeavor but the current precedent is such that they wont be retroactively banning anyone. If they did it would be a legal and PR nightmare for everyone involved.  The FIDE director general even said as much during the event magnus just won where he conceded after one move.  If you watch the clip of the FIDE president talking about this you would know he would love to work with chess.com but only if they are willing to show them their algorithms and methods, the interworking's of how their anti-cheat works and chess.com and friends told him NO you guys don't get to look at that we are a private company .  So as of right now they don't do anything about online cheating.  

TLDR There will absolutely be something like this in the near future but no you and magnus don't get to decided when and where it happens it will happen with official fide announcements and changes.   

lfPatriotGame - you make a very good point. The actual names of individuals whose accounts are

closed is for the most part a private matter between them and chess.com. Certainly, this not info

available to FIDE or US chess. 

How many 1,200s beating masters?

RonaldJosephCote, yet more dribble, quite a bit grossly misinformed from the LA Times

supercoolguy2000 

FACT Hans Niemann DOES NOT have a background in OTB cheating, period, end of story. 
Magnus's main problem is that his sportsmanship absolutely STINKS, truly embarrassing.

How is his sportsmanship bad if he protested against letting Hans Niemann (who cheated not once, not twice, but 100 times in the past)'s actions slip by.

In fact, it is embarrassing that our World Champion had to stand up and remind us about how tolerating a cheater is not okay. 

I am not saying that Hans Niemann cheated in OTB, or that he is guaranteed to have cheated during all of his 100 highly suspicious online games. But I am saying that it is absolutely necessary and understandable for Magnus to do what he did as we need to take actions on Niemann (such as the chess.com ban) to discourage any type of cheating at such a high level. 

If you have other views please explain exactly how Magnus is unsportsmanlike. Personally I think refusing to play (he even gave Hans a free win!) a suspicious (later proven highly-suspicious)player is very reasonable.

This isn't the first time and probably won't be the last.  Spell check catches words but not numbers and when I'm not wearing my glasses, well, I miss it.  Oops.

Up until now chess on online platforms and Fide's OTB chess are separated. Chess dot com is an online platform which is not affiliated with the world chess federation. Their platform, their events, their rules. Niemann has been caught cheating, confessed, and banned there. He's done the time. There's no evidence that he's cheated OTB at all, and not in online chess since August 2020. His online games and OTB have been analysed by Fide's top anti-cheating officer who found nothing suspicious. What are you saying, do you want an extra ban for him now?

Carlsen has acted unsportsmanlike because he threw a hissyfit after losing to Niemann, and then accused him of cheating by inference. Only after a couple of weeks did he come out with a statement where he said, still without providing any evidence (and lest we forget, Chess dot com are at pains to stress that they have not provided Carlsen with any information on Niemann – which to me says 'We don't think you have a case, Carlsen') that he thought that Niemann had cheated more, and more recently, than he had admitted to. So Carlsen continues to besmirch Niemann without evidence or proof. That's the act of a coward and a scoundrel.

Hopefully, we'll see a linkup shortly between the online platforms and Fide, where cheating in either sphere will have repercussions in both. However, until that happens, I seriously can't see why Niemann shouldn't be considered to have a clean slate unless actual evidence of previous OTB cheating turns up (which I doubt it will). The suspicion will hang over him for the rest of his career, and that's punishment enough given that he appears to be clean since August 2020, because it will hamper him. He will surely get fewer invititations to top events, and it would surprise me enormously if he ever gets on the US Olympiad team.