Has a ranked player ever been caught cheating during an OTB game?

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orangehonda
SirDavid wrote:

In the second largest scholastic tournament in my state, there was an incident with cheating. It may seem silly to cheat in a scholastic tournament because normally the only thing at stake is a trophy, but we're fortunate in my area that one of the school systems pays to send a couple of top players and teams from the tournament to Nationals.

Many of you who played as kids know what scholastic tournaments such as these are like. The players in class C or higher generally play against sub-1200 players for the first couple of rounds and upsets are rare until the last two or three rounds. In the fourth round out of five, there were eight players still undefeated. Seven were 1400+ and the last one was in the 400s. My friends and I were a little surprised, but the only major upset he had to pull was against a 1200, which could easily be a fluke. At the time, the most we made of it was to rib the 1400 guy playing the 400 because he'd had a pretty soft schedule (playing 1200, 600, and unrated) and then along comes this 400 guy, who dropped a piece against the 1400 and gave him another easy round. After the round, I found that this 400 had been listening to an Ipod (or perhaps Mp3, I don't know) and a TD asked him to remove it for this round.

Later, the 1400 who played the 400 saw the game the 400 beat the 1200 with. His words about the game were along the lines of "He beat him with a beautiful GM-like attack". I later found that the 400's wins were wiped out - evidently the evidence was considered sufficient, although circumstantial unless the TD knew something I didn't.

Interestingly, this incident ended up benefitting me. The 1400 who easily crushed the 400 kept his win, as it was certainly too late to repair the round. This meant four players were left undefeated: a 2000, a 1600 who had taken a roughly year-long hiatus for medical issues, myself (rated at the time around 1700), and the 1400. If the 1400 had not played the 400, he might have lost or drawn and changed the pairings at the top. As it is, I played the 1400 instead of the 2000 (who I would have played if there had only been three undefeated players or the fourth undefeated player had been rated above me) and won, tying for first and guaranteeing a free trip to Nationals. The 400 has not played since, although he didn't play much to begin with.

At any rate, this makes it seem as if it's certainly possible to cheat without numerous suspicious "bathroom breaks".


Wow, wonder how he did it.  Even though it's a kid I don't think banning for a number of years is out of the question.

Wonder if besides banning they have a flag system -- if a TD registers that kid for a tournament again in any state maybe a flag comes up?  I guess that'd only happen if they have to look up his rating online?  Do TD's do that online every time?  If so I bet they simply use the public page. Oh well.

Tricklev
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littlehotpot
orangehonda wrote:
littlehotpot wrote:

if they new they used metal detectors why couldn't they cover the computer in a coating that made it undetectable. like when you put a mobile phone(cell phone) in a room with lead paint on. if somebody tries to call you then it won't reach though but that is to much trouble just to win a couple of tournaments isn't?\


I'm pretty sure lead is a metal and would only help to set the detector off 

If you want it to stop receiving signals like in your cell phone analogy, the metal detector is the thing that would have to be covered in lead (or whatever special substance you're thinking of??) ... good luck with that


I am close to coming up with a solution. by tomorrow it should be ready

JuicyJ72
asam_2 wrote:

Well, if too many bathroom breaks make you suspicious, there's only one way to 'cure' that - DO NOT ALLOW BATHROOM BREAKS! The players will have no choice but to relieve themselves before games and maybe try to drink less water.


 Six hours is a long time to go without a bathroom break

jesterville

Incredulous...

orangehonda
littlehotpot wrote:
orangehonda wrote:
littlehotpot wrote:

if they new they used metal detectors why couldn't they cover the computer in a coating that made it undetectable. like when you put a mobile phone(cell phone) in a room with lead paint on. if somebody tries to call you then it won't reach though but that is to much trouble just to win a couple of tournaments isn't?\


I'm pretty sure lead is a metal and would only help to set the detector off 

If you want it to stop receiving signals like in your cell phone analogy, the metal detector is the thing that would have to be covered in lead (or whatever special substance you're thinking of??) ... good luck with that


I am close to coming up with a solution. by tomorrow it should be ready


Heh, ok.  Not sure how much metal is in something like an IPhone to begin with, would it set it off in the first place?  Or are we talking those wands security at an airport will wave over you?

TheGrobe

No bathroom breaks doesn't necessarily mean no hydration, although it's true that that's not a tournament I'd want to attend.

Atos

It's bad enough that smoking is not allowed any more in tournaments, and now if you weren't even allowed to go out to smoke ?

Steinwitz

That was just Mamedyarov being sore because his unsound opening play didn't work against someone rated 100 points below him. Shah tries a pawn rush, it's easily batted off, the game follows theory until 16, and then I challenge you to find the following moves. The game ender is Qd2, but it's not that hard to find.

Shakhriyar Mamedyarov (2724) - Igor Kurnosov (2602) [D70]

Aeroflot Open (Moscow) (6) 2009

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. f3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nb6 6. Nc3 Bg7 7. Be3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O f5 10. h4 fxe4 11. h5 gxh5 12. d5 Ne5 13. Bh6 Nec4 14. Qg5 Rf7 15. Bxc4 Nxc4 16. Rd4 Qd6 (16... Nd6 17. fxe4 Bg4 18. Bxg7 Rxg7 19. Qe3 e5 20. dxe6 Qe7 21. Nh3 Qxe6 22. Nf4 Qf7 23. Rf1 Re8 Rodshtein-Margvelashvili, Budva 2003 ) 17. Bxg7 Rxg7 18. Qxh5 Qf4+ 19. Kb1 Bf5 20. fxe4 Bg4 21. Nge2 Qd2 0-1

TheOldReb

There is some confusion here concerning listening to music ( wearing head phones ) during tournament games because FIDE does NOT allow it while it seem uscf does..... It has always bothered me that these 2 organizations cant seem to get their act together. I think the rules for competitive chess should be the same all over the world. I will complain that anyone wearing headphones in a game against me is "disturbing me " and that IS against the rules of chess in both organizations. Technology has reached the point that using anything that "could " be used to cheat should NOT be allowed. The rules against phones are growing stricter. Phones must be turned off ( if they ring the owner forfeits his/her game ) but there are some events now in which you are forbidden to even have a cell phone in the playing room, period.

As for toilet breaks, we all need them from time to time and I will quit chess when they say you cant take any during a game or if it comes to some similar ridiculous point. However, excessive trips to the toilet ( especially when your clock is running ) is cause for suspicion and players and TDs/arbiters should probably investigate when they are excessive.

Those caught cheating should be banned from rated play , maybe 1 year for a first offense and if caught again perhaps for life ? 

kco

 toiletgate problem solved

littlehotpot
orangehonda wrote:
littlehotpot wrote:
orangehonda wrote:
littlehotpot wrote:

if they new they used metal detectors why couldn't they cover the computer in a coating that made it undetectable. like when you put a mobile phone(cell phone) in a room with lead paint on. if somebody tries to call you then it won't reach though but that is to much trouble just to win a couple of tournaments isn't?\


I'm pretty sure lead is a metal and would only help to set the detector off 

If you want it to stop receiving signals like in your cell phone analogy, the metal detector is the thing that would have to be covered in lead (or whatever special substance you're thinking of??) ... good luck with that


I am close to coming up with a solution. by tomorrow it should be ready


Heh, ok.  Not sure how much metal is in something like an IPhone to begin with, would it set it off in the first place?  Or are we talking those wands security at an airport will wave over you?


I am thinking of a wand that they go over you with

but i do not think that we have those in the UK. instead we have full body scanners 

aprotosimaki12

Chess is basically done and dusted.  It will be reduced to the level of backgammon. Sites such as this will simply disappear. It is untenable. Cheating is rife.

SuperChessGuru1

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