Help against the stonewall

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Hi guys,been playing chess for a while now,and no other opening troubles me as much as the stonewall.A friend/chess rival of mine has been using it a lot lately and I've had a horrible win rate against it!Are there any video lessons,normal lessons or articles about it?If so,please help me out.

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You can get a dutch type setup from openings like the Dutch Defense, Colle system, and English.

Its a Closed game, with uncomplicated strategy.

What you are trying to do is exchange the bad bishop, create e4/e5 outposts, and a pawn break on the c and g files.

Players must carefully consider how to recapture on the e4/e5 squares, since it alters the symmetric pawn formation and creates strategic subtleties. This structure also appears in one of Botvinnik's treatments of the English. Adding the typical White fianchetto of the king's bishop to this structure provides significant pressure along the long diagonal, and usually prepares the f2-f4-f5 break.

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i'd use the Kings Indian defence look at 4:39 on this video. it forces white to do something different. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTpptUg1_74

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GodsPawn2016 wrote:

You can get a durch type setup rom openings like the Dutch Defense, Colle system, and English.

Its a Closed game, with uncomplicated strategy.

What you are trying to do is exchange the bad bishop, e4/e5 outposts, and a pawn break on the c and g files.

Players must carefully consider how to recapture on the e4/e5 square, since it alters the symmetric pawn formation and creates strategic subtleties. This structure also appears in one of Botvinnik's treatments of the English. Adding the typical White fianchetto of the king's bishop to this structure provides significant pressure along the long diagonal, and usually prepares the f2-f4-f5 break.

Thanks for the help man!I usually play d5 against the first move and expect a queens gambit but then see the stonewall!I've heard that d5 isn't the best move against it and it should be changed if you are playing against someone who normally uses it.

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If youre ever not sure what to do, or do against an opening.  Setup a board and pieces with just the pawn structure for that opening.  
Now it becomes pretty clear that white wants to occupy e5, and black wants to occupy e4.  
And that there are pawn breaks on the c, and g files.  
White will have a "bad" dark squared bishop, while black will have a "bad" light squared bishop.  
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gingerninja2003 wrote:

i'd use the Kings Indian defence look at 4:39 on this video. it forces white to do something different. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTpptUg1_74

Thanks for this,very helpful!

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GodsPawn2016 wrote:
If youre ever not sure what to do, or do against an opening.  Setup a board and pieces with just the pawn structure for that opening.  
Now it becomes pretty clear that white wants to occupy e5, and black wants to occupy e4.  
And that there are pawn breaks on the c, and g files.  
White will have a "bad" dark squared bishop, while black will have a "bad" light squared bishop.  

Thanks for this man,I've seen it in one of danny Rensch's vids,I think I am going to go kings indian against him,looks very good

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If you can get ...e5 in against the Stonewall, even with a (temporary) pawn sacrifice which leaves him with doubled isolated e-pawns, it's generally good for you. Also, if you haven't yet played d4/...d5, don't. The whole point of the Stonewall is to control the e5/...e4 square, so it doesn't work well against openings where the opponent hasn't committed to d4/...d5.

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Firethorn15 wrote:

If you can get ...e5 in against the Stonewall, even with a (temporary) pawn sacrifice which leaves him with doubled isolated e-pawns, it's generally good for you. Also, if you haven't yet played d4/...d5, don't. The whole point of the Stonewall is to control the e5/...e4 square, so it doesn't work well against openings where the opponent hasn't committed to d4/...d5.

Thanks,I've decided to learn the kings indian for when I play against him.

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Possibly helpful:

Grandmaster Repertoire 11: Beating 1 d4 Sidelines by Boris Avrukh (2012)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627001415/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen164.pdf

http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Beating-1-d4-Sidelines-p3724.htm

http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/GM11-1d4Sidelines-excerpt.pdf

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Thanks a lot!!