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ddave2150

I HATE playing against d4 players. And I dont like the queens gambit or slav .. Any suggestions of what I should play?? I would like it to be solid and not a gambit. Ive looked at the tarrasch and it just looks trash with an IQP. Ive also looked at the dutch but it looks terrible. What do I do?

tygxc

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"I HATE playing against d4 players" ++ Why?

"I dont like the queens gambit" ++ Accepted or declined?

"or slav" ++ Why?

"I would like it to be solid and not a gambit."
++ OK, though Benkö or Hennig-Schara are solid gambits.

"Ive looked at the tarrasch and it just looks trash with an IQP"
++ 'He who fears an isolated Queen's Pawn should give up Chess.' - Tarrasch

"Ive also looked at the dutch but it looks terrible." ++ Dutch is dubious.

"What do I do?" ++ Queen's Gambit Accepted, or Declined, or Slav is most solid.
Nimzovich Indian Defense / Queen's Indian Defense is solid too.
Grünfeld Indian Defense is solid too.
King's Indian Defense or Benoni are sharp, not really solid.

JuniorS-B

You tried to shoot down all the solid lines bud. I would have said KID, but that is a bit sharp. Nimzo-Indian is probably your best bet.

ddave2150

Lol. pre shaded. yeah I was hoping there was a solid line I have heard of... meh

play4fun64

Gruenfeld defense may be what suits you. Very dynamic and can get you early advantage of white isn't prepared. Ofc you should prep to actually play it.

SirLumbreras

If you want something solid against 1.d4, definitely should consider 1...d5 and study classical games. As well, Queens Indian might another suitable weapon for you, avoiding 1...d5 lines with a solid game.

Laskersnephew

All of the openings you dismiss are perfectly good! Any of several mainline openings will be fine for you. In any case, the opening will almost never determine the outcome of your games. All this agonizing over "what opening should I play" is a complete waste of time

ddave2150
Laskersnephew wrote:

All of the openings you dismiss are perfectly good! Any of several mainline openings will be fine for you. In any case, the opening will almost never determine the outcome of your games. All this agonizing over "what opening should I play" is a complete waste of time

The opening will determine the outcome of the game if both players play the middle game and endgame well. Determining an opening that fits your style is a good thing to do.

Laskersnephew

"The opening will determine the outcome of the game if both players play the middle game and endgame well. "

I don't think so! Blunders and tactics decide the outcome of the overwhelming majority of games--certainly for players below FM strength. Pick any reputable opening and you'll be fine

Stockfishdot1

I noticed when playing against stockfish 15/16 it always played King's Pawn Opening. I don't know why it chooses that, but I figure it must know something, being that it looks 16 levels deep. Plus I like that it seems to put the black player at a disadvantage if attacking right away.

mixy0rangnge1234

Hey there I heard yu neede help soooooo what do you need

Pacorseman

although recently I'm playing 1.d4 myself (I was playing OTB off the platform for the past few years) I'm uncomfortable myself against 1.d4 - I play the Nimzo mainly, sometimes the KID and the QID but I need to review my repo heavily, I'm often soon out of book

for the aggressive player I suppose the Dutch is a good club opening, I don't play it myself because I love facing it as white so I'm biased

all the best objective black options are very solid and slow, if you don't like that I think your best bets are a combination of the KID and the Dutch

zone_chess

I play a Grunfeld (Paris variation) or a modern with an early c5 - the mighty Pterodactyl defense. Caro-Kann is another solid opening for black.

ddave2150
Laskersnephew wrote:

"The opening will determine the outcome of the game if both players play the middle game and endgame well. "

I don't think so! Blunders and tactics decide the outcome of the overwhelming majority of games--certainly for players below FM strength. Pick any reputable opening and you'll be fine

you are confirming what I said... I said "if both players play well" meaning they don't blunder.

Xander_is_OkayAtChess

The Benoni or Benko gambit are a little risky but can catch a lot of players off guard.

User49578

QGA - a choice of Anand sometimes.

See Finegold's hour-long lecture on it.

Laskersnephew

"you are confirming what I said... I said "if both players play well" meaning they don't blunder."

Belo FM level, blunders are very common. Below GM level errors and inaccuracies are very common. This is what determines the outcome of most games

sndeww
ddave2150 wrote:

you are confirming what I said... I said "if both players play well" meaning they don't blunder.

The czech benoni mainline is +1.5 for white on move 5. Some lower engines evaluate it to be over +2.5. On chess.com I score 57% with black out of 216 games.

OTB I defeated my first 2100 with the czech benoni. Back when I was in AL, there was a local 2100 who I played with about ten times. We contested the czech benoni at least five times; I lost the first, drew the second, and won the rest. At K-12 Nationals in 2022 I defeated a 2150 with the czech benoni; in 2023 that person would be a NM.

My point? People blunder.

sndeww
ddave2150 wrote:

I HATE playing against d4 players. And I dont like the queens gambit or slav .. Any suggestions of what I should play?? I would like it to be solid and not a gambit. Ive looked at the tarrasch and it just looks trash with an IQP. Ive also looked at the dutch but it looks terrible. What do I do?

Have you considered indian defenses? Nimzo-Indian is quite solid. Unfortunately most of the "solid" type openings against d4 tend to include 1...d5. Queen's indian is solid, but isn't a catch-all; Black knights tango has 5 million transpositions, the KID, well, anyways, the dutch isn't "solid" either (I mean the stonewall exists, but even so...)

Alternatively you could try 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5!? A surprise opening I've been a fan of for a long time. capturing leads to nothing; however, white has a good position after 3.Nf3.

ddave2150
Laskersnephew wrote:

"you are confirming what I said... I said "if both players play well" meaning they don't blunder."

Belo FM level, blunders are very common. Below GM level errors and inaccuracies are very common. This is what determines the outcome of most games

You clearly can't understand what im saying lil bro. If both players play accurately to their rating at 1900 then the person who played the better opening wins because if both players are playing to their rating then it doesn't matter how many blunders happen. Unless those blunders are hanging queens or a piece then the opening matters. And at 1900 especially over the board players very rarely blunder pieces. The opening determines the pawn structure and plans the rest of the game. That's why I need to find one for my style. I don't like playing IQP positions for an example. Maybe at 1500 or 1000 or whatever elo you are it works to play random openings. idk