Hou Yifan plays the Fool's mate. Resigns after move 5 in 2017 Gibraltar Masters.

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losboba

The pairings were messed up in the first round (as it often happens), in the fifth round (because a result was reported wrongly - the highest player involved was 141, though) and in the ninth round (71-118 and 73-124 were switched in 71-124 73-118 to avoid a ISR-IRI game). 

Apart from the first round, all the pairings regarding N. 22 (i.e. Hou Yifan), were correct

ChristopherYoo
2Q1C wrote:
urk wrote:
Look at it this way.
It takes a strong willed woman to become the best, and a strong will to also carry out that kind of very public protest.

She's not your average girl.

 

Grow a backbone. Stop being an apologist for stupidity. What is she protesting about exactly? It shouldn't even be called a protest as it does a disservice to real protesters. This is a case of a woman throwing her toys out the pram because she didn't get her own way.

 

Quit yer whining.  We get it that you hate uppity women.

way7810
losboba wrote:

The pairings were messed up in the first round (as it often happens), in the fifth round (because a result was reported wrongly - the highest player involved was 141, though) and in the ninth round (71-118 and 73-124 were switched in 71-124 73-118 to avoid a ISR-IRI game). 

Apart from the first round, all the pairings regarding N. 22 (i.e. Hou Yifan), were correct

interesting.

They switched games? Of course that would be because of understanable political reasons.

Non the less, it would open up the discussion when are they allowed to Switch opponents.

Because if i recall the last round correctly a husband and his wife played against each other. And also Anton who had 6 times the White pieces was unlucky.

Im not saying i disagree with the System. Its just the question when are the Organizer allowed to interviening a Pairing? And are those rules of interviening fair?

ChristopherYoo
cluepon wrote:
yyoochess wrote:
cluepon wrote:
cluepon wrote:

 Read back. I already did that: took the results, put them in another FIDE endorsed program, compared the results.

 

 

Oops, lemme rephrase that "read back". Check the news article on Gibraltar, that's where I already did that

 

Not finding it.  Link?  

 

https://www.chess.com/news/view/nakamura-wins-third-straight-title-in-gibraltar-playoff-7376

 

still on page 1

 

Thanks.  Enlightening if accurate.  Now someone should go ahead and check the integrity of the pairing program.  

 

Organizers should also report their own findings.  

Brunnhilde

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but I would simply like to share my opinion. I apologize if I am making statements that have been made before.

One of the best ways to improve is to play serious games, particularly against higher rated players (I try to avoid playing in OTB tournaments where I'm the highest rated player because I have nothing to gain and everything to lose). With that in mind, I can see why Hou Yifan quit playing in events for women only; she ran out of competition and wants to improve. I can also see why she is angry about playing mostly lower rated women in Gibraltar since this slightly thwarts her efforts.

Her opponents were definitely not "fish" to us; but what were they in her eyes? Imagine going to a tournament with 20+ players rated higher than you, and you end up almost only playing people rated 100+ points under you; beating all of them is fun, but you aren't gaining much (both rating-wise and experience-wise), there is high risk involved (you must win; a draw or a loss would result in quite a large rating drop), and in fact you may be getting worse (I have found that playing lower rated people over and over weakens my game). Gender is perhaps part of the issue with Hou Yifan's pairings, but her inability to increase her rating very much and improve may actually be the key reason why she protested.

A similar event happened once. One of my friends was in a four-round tournament; he inadvertently upset the TD while having a conversation with him. My friend then got Black four times in a row (I severely doubt this was a coincidence). He won the tournament anyway. Based on this experience, I would not say Hou Yifan's pairings were just a run of luck.

If I were in Hou Yifan's place, would I complain and/or protest? Yes. Would I throw away a game (and thus rating points)? Probably not. But I cannot blame her for doing so, and the only person she harmed by losing on purpose was herself, so she doesn't deserve so much backlash. She in fact apologized for throwing the game; you can see the news here: http://www.gibraltarchesscongress.com/

Also, I couldn't help but notice that a couple of posters on here seem convinced that men are superior to women at chess (maybe this mentality is why people at my local chess club are reluctant to play me?). Perhaps you could challenge me to a correspondence/daily chess game and we could settle this matter over the board? In the spirit of this, I'll play anybody within 100 points of me. happy.png

Those are merely my thoughts on the matter. I thought it would be interesting to add more points/views to this debate; from here on I will just be a spectator.

losboba
way7810 wrote:
losboba wrote:

The pairings were messed up ... in the ninth round (71-118 and 73-124 were switched in 71-124 73-118 to avoid a ISR-IRI game). 

 

They switched games? Of course that would be because of understanable political reasons.

Non the less, it would open up the discussion when are they allowed to Switch opponents.

Because if i recall the last round correctly a husband and his wife played against each other. And also Anton who had 6 times the White pieces was unlucky.

Im not saying i disagree with the System. Its just the question when are the Organizer allowed to interviening a Pairing? And are those rules of interviening fair?

The key is your wording "understandable political reasons". In such circumstances, a switch is considered acceptable, particularly when there is no big difference in players' standings and ratings. It is not fair, in my opinion, but it is practical, and the programs usually have an option to insert forbidden pairings, just to avoid "dangerous" match-ups.

Regarding the game husband-wife. That's a tough one, but where to put the limit? Two brothers (or sisters), two cousins, two close friends... 

llama
Brunnhilde wrote:

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but I would simply like to share my opinion. I apologize if I am making statements that have been made before.

One of the best ways to improve is to play serious games, particularly against higher rated players (I try to avoid playing in OTB tournaments where I'm the highest rated player because I have nothing to gain and everything to lose). With that in mind, I can see why Hou Yifan quit playing in events for women only; she ran out of competition and wants to improve. I can also see why she is angry about playing mostly lower rated women in Gibraltar since this slightly thwarts her efforts.

All of the top players played lower rated players in the first 4 or 5 rounds. Caruana is #3 in the world on the live rating list and played a 2300 in the first round. This is normal for big swiss opens. You don't get to play the good guys until late in the tournament, and only then if you have one of the best scores.

Her opponents were definitely not "fish" to us; but what were they in her eyes? Imagine going to a tournament with 20+ players rated higher than you, and you end up almost only playing people rated 100+ points under you; beating all of them is fun, but you aren't gaining much (both rating-wise and experience-wise), First of all, extremely high rated players are used not facing peers unless they're attending a super tournament. She knew what to expect coming into the event, so I don't think rating had anything to do with it. Second of all 100-200 points is not much difference. Statistically the higher rated player is expected to score about 67-75%. Third, over 9 rounds she lost less than 1 rating point. The competition her pairings afforded her appears to have been practically perfect. there is high risk involved (you must win; a draw or a loss would result in quite a large rating drop), and in fact you may be getting worse (I have found that playing lower rated people over and over weakens my game). Gender is perhaps part of the issue with Hou Yifan's pairings, but her inability to increase her rating very much and improve may actually be the key reason why she protested. By the way, she was paired with the super GM Michael Adams in round 5. Adams is a long time super GM and currently #15 in the world on the live rating list.

A similar event happened once. One of my friends was in a four-round tournament; he inadvertently upset the TD while having a conversation with him. My friend then got Black four times in a row (I severely doubt this was a coincidence). This is illegal under USCF rules. If this was a real rated tournament he could have reported the TD. Also FIDE is more strict than USCF, and this was a widely viewed tournament. Any antics like this would lose the arbiters their titles. He won the tournament anyway. Based on this experience, I would not say Hou Yifan's pairings were just a run of luck. Based on what? Your feelings?

If I were in Hou Yifan's place, would I complain and/or protest? Yes. Would I throw away a game (and thus rating points)? Probably not. But I cannot blame her for doing so, and the only person she harmed by losing on purpose was herself, so she doesn't deserve so much backlash. She in fact apologized for throwing the game; you can see the news here: http://www.gibraltarchesscongress.com/

She didn't just throw a game, she accused the arbiters / organizers of wrong doing. FIDE has strict pairing rules.

Also, I couldn't help but notice that a couple of posters on here seem convinced that men are superior to women at chess (maybe this mentality is why people at my local chess club are reluctant to play me?). Perhaps you could challenge me to a correspondence/daily chess game and we could settle this matter over the board? In the spirit of this, I'll play anybody within 100 points of me.

Those are merely my thoughts on the matter. I thought it would be interesting to add more points/views to this debate; from here on I will just be a spectator.

 

urk
Calm down, dude.

Brunnhilde started off by apologizing preemptively for not reading pages and pages to get every point and you rudely call her lazy.

You starting playing chess two months ago and now you've decided that the women's world champion should be banned from the sport. Don't be an ass.

You say men would never do such a thing? Men have done the same. Male grandmasters have forfeited in protest and they've also agreed to thousands of arranged draws.

You don't really understand the game yet so take a back seat.
Spectator94

The only thing worse than overly long posts is when people quote the overly long posts 

llama
Spectator94 wrote:

The only thing worse than overly long posts is when people quote the overly long posts 

Meh, I don't browse forums on my phone so I don't even notice... unless it's absurdly long like when trolls post something that would be 50 pages.

BronsteinPawn
Spectator94 escribió:

The only thing worse than overly long posts is when people quote the overly long posts 

^^ Too much scrolling.

ChristopherYoo
2Q1C wrote:

She will retire from professional chess after this. Guaranteed. She has made too much of a fool of herself to continue playing.

 

Is wagering permitted on chess.com?

 

llama
2Q1C wrote:
 

 

She threw a game for no reason. She should have her title stripped and be banned from the sport for life. 

Yeah! And beaten with a stick! Tarred and feathered! Charged with vandalism, fraud, domestic violence, and failure to signal for a left turn! She should be persecuted, prosecuted, prostrated and defamed! And then every year, on the anniversary of her resignation, a chess festival will be held culminating with the burning of a 50 foot wooden likeness of the fiend herself!

urk
Even players who get caught redhanded cheating with Stockfish don't get banned for life.

How absurd to think Yifan should get banned for her little protest game.

2Q1C has gone crazy with his woman hatred. That's my conclusion.
ChristopherYoo
2Q1C wrote:
urk wrote:
Calm down, dude.

Brunnhilde started off by apologizing preemptively for not reading pages and pages to get every point and you rudely call her lazy.

You starting playing chess two months ago and now you've decided that the women's world champion should be banned from the sport. Don't be an ass.

You say men would never do such a thing? Men have done the same. Male grandmasters have forfeited in protest and they've also agreed to thousands of arranged draws.

You don't really understand the game yet so take a back seat.

 

She threw a game for no reason. She should have her title stripped and be banned from the sport for life. 

 

Throwing games for BAD reasons happens all too often.  At least she threw a game for what she believed to be a good reason.  She's already apologized to fans.  If she's shown to be in the wrong about the pairings, she should apologize to the organizers as well.

 

As for you, you should apologize for your remarks against women and consider retiring from these forums until you learn how to behave.  That's just as unlikely however as Hou Yifan retiring from chess over this.

 

 

urk
Just coincidence that an apologist for oppressive, patriarchal, barbaric Islamic ways would also be a
despiser of women?
I think not!
urk
You're really quick to defend indefensible Islam.
Sure, make them wear a hijab you say.
F*** that
urk
I'd rather ban the president of FIDE for what he's done to our top lady players.
Let's ban his ass.
prusswan

Some people have clearly never played in swiss events, where it is important to win every game especially against lower-rated players. She did slightly better than average against equals and underperformed against stronger players, and turned an average performance in the end, perfectly normal. What is not normal is her angst towards women players

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