Going4Draw wrote:
Life is like chess to me
If you've really done so many things, then that's not how you'd think of life.
Maybe you meant to say "chess is like life to me."
How can a 12 yr old be a GM while an mature adult cannot even reach 1600
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Apr 17, 2023
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CassiusCezar wrote:
DelightfulLiberty wrote:
Age, education, knowledge and IQ don't necessarily translate into chess ability.
I very much doubt that even if I spent 8 hours a day playing chess, and did so for 8 years, I'd be able to be a GM or anywhere close. Yet many others could.
IF you did that (practiced chess for 6-8 hours a day) when you were 5 years old, studied chess books, practiced and learned legendary grandmaster games, play in a chess clubs, practiced complex positional middle games you would probably become a grandmaster or at least master (2000) with persistence. That was the case for Hikaru and some other grandmasters. A man tested this out on his two daughters who had IQ's of about 90. He was good at chess but wanted to show that with practice anyone can become a chess expert and that it was not limited to only a gifted few. One became an international master and the other a grandmaster. The female grandmaster has actually defeated magnus Carlsen before in a park blitz chess game (not competitive, just for fun). It is on YouTube: https://youtu.be/hvbZCRid5CY
However, once in a while there are chess prodigies like Bobby Fischer, Levon Aronian, Mikhal Tal, Magnus Carlsen. Magnus raised his rating from 907 to 2000+ in the span of 2 years after playing competitive classical chess for the first time (when he was about 10 years old). His rating climbing up to 2800 when he was just 18 years of age.
Maybe. Hard to know. But I'll grant it would be more likely for me to become a GM starting at age 5 than starting at age 45.
Apr 17, 2023
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#24
@CassiusCezar are you reffering to the Polgat sisters. I totally agree that genius are made.
Apr 17, 2023
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Going4Draw wrote:
All I'm saying is I should have the capacity to play well as much as a 12 yr old with my experience of playing the game longer than the kids entire life.
I've been cycling all my life. It does not make me a Tour de France material.
Apr 17, 2023
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Going4Draw wrote:
@CassiusCezar are you reffering to the Polgat sisters. I totally agree that genius are made.
Chess geniuses are mostly made ... in terms of true IQ geniuses that's mostly a 'born that way' thing, IMHO.
Apr 17, 2023
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#27
If a 12yo can understand complicated concept in chess I should too. I should know those concepts by now. On a good day I can beat 200 to 300 players above my rating. Why can't I at least be persistent.
Apr 17, 2023
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Going4Draw wrote:
If a 12yo can understand complicated concept in chess I should too. I should know those concepts by now. On a good day I can beat 200 to 300 players above my rating. Why can't I at least be persistent.
Being good at chess isn't about understanding things.
Conscious thought is like... the last 50 or 100 rating points. Unconscious Magnus Carlsen would be rated 2750 
Apr 17, 2023
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#29
Going4Draw wrote:
If a 12yo can understand complicated concept in chess I should too. I should know those concepts by now. On a good day I can beat 200 to 300 players above my rating. Why can't I at least be persistent.
Because it's not about knowledge or age, perhaps? Isn't it more likely about recognition and practice?
Knowing about something, and being able to do something aren't the same thing.
Apr 17, 2023
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#30
DelightfulLiberty wrote:
Going4Draw wrote:
If a 12yo can understand complicated concept in chess I should too. I should know those concepts by now. On a good day I can beat 200 to 300 players above my rating. Why can't I at least be persistent.
Because it's not about knowledge or age, perhaps? Isn't it more likely about recognition and practice?
Knowing about something, and being able to do something aren't the same thing.
Yeah, and worth mentioning the average age of the top 10 players is something like 32 at the moment... 50 year old Anand crept back in there somehow (what a legend). A few years ago the average was barely under 30!
Apr 17, 2023
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Going4Draw wrote:
All I'm saying is I should have the capacity to play well as much as a 12 yr old with my experience of playing the game longer than the kids entire life.
Have a go at Olympic athletes as well.
Everyone knows kids are better then adults
Apr 17, 2023
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#33
thecatlover99 wrote:
Everyone knows kids are better then adults
Kids are better then adults... what?
Apr 17, 2023
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PathOfNerd wrote:
@going4draw
The reason why you cannot even reach 2000 online is that your "training" routine is wrong. If you want to improve you MUST learn. But you've played million games and learned nothing from them. That is the problem.
What is the correct training routine?
Apr 17, 2023
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#35
PathOfNerd wrote:
paper_llama wrote:
Going4Draw wrote:
If a 12yo can understand complicated concept in chess I should too. I should know those concepts by now. On a good day I can beat 200 to 300 players above my rating. Why can't I at least be persistent.
Being good at chess isn't about understanding things.
Conscious thought is like... the last 50 or 100 rating points. Unconscious Magnus Carlsen would be rated 2750
It IS about understanding thing a lot. It's not the ONLY aspect but a very important one. You is not a GM because you don't understand chess like a GM even though they are better in other aspects too. But if you'd have a GM chess understanding with mediocre other chess skills you'd be MUCH stronger that you're at the moment. Perhaps like an IM level.
One of the top GM coaches(don't remember who it was) said once that even a monkey can be trained to play the power of a candidate master.
Sure, I was being a bit facetious, but also we're using the word conscious / understanding differently.
Apr 17, 2023
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#36
paper_llama wrote:
PathOfNerd wrote:
paper_llama wrote:
Going4Draw wrote:
If a 12yo can understand complicated concept in chess I should too. I should know those concepts by now. On a good day I can beat 200 to 300 players above my rating. Why can't I at least be persistent.
Being good at chess isn't about understanding things.
Conscious thought is like... the last 50 or 100 rating points. Unconscious Magnus Carlsen would be rated 2750
It IS about understanding thing a lot. It's not the ONLY aspect but a very important one. You is not a GM because you don't understand chess like a GM even though they are better in other aspects too. But if you'd have a GM chess understanding with mediocre other chess skills you'd be MUCH stronger that you're at the moment. Perhaps like an IM level.
One of the top GM coaches(don't remember who it was) said once that even a monkey can be trained to play the power of a candidate master.
Sure, I was being a bit facetious, but also we're using the word conscious / understanding differently.
Hi, llama. Seems like you've woken up.
Apr 17, 2023
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#37
Yeah, breakfast + sunlight = I don't feel tired... yet. We'll see how long that lasts...
adults arent creative anymore. kids still have some
(to the op)
Life is like chess to me that is why I can't accept that a 6 yr old be better than me. Forget the 12yo GM
If you want, I can help you improve a little. I know my rating's not very high and I'm nowhere near a GM, but I think you have the potential to still improve in your Chess career.