How many draw offers ?

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MRO314

I once made more than 4 offers in a row in a R + 2P vs R + 1P ending (I had 2 pawns)

RetGuvvie98
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tryst

Quit being so nice, RetGuvvie98. It will cloud my ability to argue with you on other opinionsLaughing I'm in the , 'If I'm a jerk, then call me a jerk', camp.Smile

RetGuvvie98
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leightonnicholls
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tryst
_Chess_Boy_ wrote:

Well in some games that I play, my opponent starts and keeps sending draws to me for the rest of the game can get kinda annoying just because they are losing and im winning.


_Chess_Boy_, on your way to master, grandmaster, and perhaps World Champion, that's going to happen a lot. If I was playing you, I would offer a draw before the first move. After that, I would offer money for a drawSmile

leightonnicholls
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stats_man

In OTB as well as online chess my rule is that if 2 draws are declined by my opponent then I do not offer a third one and wait for them to offer one back (assuming nothing has changed) or for the rules of chess to require a draw.

There is nothing more satisfying then winning a game where my opponent declined a draw and nothing so brutal as losing a game where I declined a draw.

RetGuvvie98
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Fromper

I offer draws so rarely that keeping track of them isn't an issue. But it would be nice to see draw offers by the opponent more prominantly when they happen - I've missed them before. And having them on the score sheet for reference would be handy. I always write them down in my OTB tournament games (USCF).

--Fromper

marvellosity

tryst: don't be so hard on yourself.

I don't really think you were in the wrong. The position was a complete and utter dead draw, and he should be accepting a draw. Maybe instead of offering the draw, you should have just got the arbiter. The bigger crime than offering the draw repeatedly was him wasting both your time by playing on.

After the refusal of the first draw offer, I would probably have said "you know this is a stone cold draw, don't you?"

modernchess

Once during Live Chess play it came to a K vs. K+ Rook Pawn where both kings were situated in a drawing position. My clock had 3 min. while my opponent's had just 20 sec. For the next few moves I repeatedly offered draws to my opponent, as I despise winning on time, but they kept on moving and subsequently lost on time. Was this rude on my part?

stats_man
modernchess wrote:

Once during Live Chess play it came to a K vs. K+ Rook Pawn where both kings were situated in a drawing position. My clock had 3 min. while my opponent's had just 20 sec. For the next few moves I repeatedly offered draws to my opponent, as I despise winning on time, but they kept on moving and subsequently lost on time. Was this rude on my part?


 Sounds like you were being quite generous.

On the other hand, perhaps your opponent despises drawing when you beat him on time.

If he had the pawn his best course of action would have been to give you the pawn. If you had the pawn and were in a generous mood, then you could have left it "hanging."

tryst
marvellosity wrote:

tryst: don't be so hard on yourself.

I don't really think you were in the wrong. The position was a complete and utter dead draw, and he should be accepting a draw. Maybe instead of offering the draw, you should have just got the arbiter. The bigger crime than offering the draw repeatedly was him wasting both your time by playing on.

After the refusal of the first draw offer, I would probably have said "you know this is a stone cold draw, don't you?"


LaughingActually, it was turn-based online. Thought about it today and I was a pushy jerk about it. Maybe twice to account for the variables, like they didn't see the first offer. But after that I'm suprised I wasn't called a jerk. When chess.com gets as rich as Rockefeller, they'll have an online arbiterLaughing

Torkil

Well, modernchess, that's a tricky question. If you were the one with the extra pawn, I'd think offering the draw repeatedly was rather gracious, as you obviously assumed your opponent had missed your offer earlier and therefore renewed it. This stays true also if the position was such a dead draw as you describe it. However, if it was one your opponent might have had any hopes of winning, I would count repeated draw offers as a major distraction.

I'm not aware how it works on this site (wow, I think I never got offered a draw in live chess yet), but on some other sites I have been playing on I had to click a "decline" button each time my opp offered a draw while my time kept running. Consequently I have been forced into quite a few draws out of winning positions there by being spammed with draw offers, because the only alternative was losing in time. Evidently this is not what I would count as great sportsmanship.

Dragec
marvellosity wrote:

tryst: don't be so hard on yourself.

I don't really think you were in the wrong. The position was a complete and utter dead draw, and he should be accepting a draw. Maybe instead of offering the draw, you should have just got the arbiter. The bigger crime than offering the draw repeatedly was him wasting both your time by playing on.

After the refusal of the first draw offer, I would probably have said "you know this is a stone cold draw, don't you?"


 I disagree, especially if you use that wording (crime). Playing till the mate or draw (50 move rule, repetition, insufficient material) according to the rules  although sometimes can be considered a bad etiquette indeed is completely according the rules. But distracting or annoying your opponent with unreasonable draw offers (and 4 in a row is unreasonable) is against the rules (12.6. to be precise).

Although I did not encounter such thing, from time to time I do play with people(sometimes with high rating) who keep playing in the lost position, even in turn-based chess. And I don't tell them to resign, I just play till the end, sometimes I try to do it quickly and sometimes I try to checkmate them with the pawn or  promote a couple of queens or promote few pawns to bishops and knights and checkmate that way. Sometimes they figure it out and resign after that, and sometimes they just resign a move before before checkmate. I don't mind that, if it would be annoying then I would block them and that's it.

dsmeaton

the only thing i don't like about draws in chess.com games is that the opponent can ignore the draw offer and just continue playing: ignore meaning not respond with accept/decline.

the system should force the opponent to either accept/decline the draw ... before they can make their move.

and to prevent people from offering draws every move (which some idiots would), perhaps the number of draws able to be offered is maxed at, say, 3 (per person/per game).

and yes, draw offers should be included in notation! :)

Dragec
davidsmeaton wrote:

the only thing i don't like about draws in chess.com games is that the opponent can ignore the draw offer and just continue playing: ignore meaning not respond with accept/decline.

the system should force the opponent to either accept/decline the draw ... before they can make their move.

and to prevent people from offering draws every move (which some idiots would), perhaps the number of draws able to be offered is maxed at, say, 3 (per person/per game).

and yes, draw offers should be included in notation! :)


The rules of chess allow that player can decline the draw offer by touching the piece with intention to move it or capture it (Article 9.1. b. 1.). So this is already implemented here.

 If someone plays on, then it means that he/she rejected the draw offer, why additional confirmation?

TheOldReb

When you continue to play after a draw offer from your opponent this IS declining the draw offer.

marvellosity
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