I lost in 18 moves, but didn't make a single mistake?

kinglysack,

Just because i'm playing a computer doesn't mean that I'm hungry for a draw

you played crap. but if you feel you made no mistakes then that's cool, you can be another knucklehead that thinks he is fishstock but can't get any better.

I would have castle on the 8th move, I don't like open my king for check. JMO

whiskeyinthejamjar,

When i said i didn't make a single mistake, I wasn't being cocky, it's just Stockfish's opinion,

verylate,

and no, that doesn't mean that i agree with it. The idea was for u guys to tell me how i went wrong, because "Soupfish" won't help me. And i have chess books, mine just don't talk.

First of all, playing against engines isn't that great for your chess improvement. As you've seen, trying to use the computer's evals to understand where you went wrong doesn't get you very far.

The engine is right in that you should have gotten your king out of the center. You're already lost by move 8. And like someone said, there is no reason you should be at -anything eval by move 5.

What happened is the engine tricked you in the opening. After 3.Nf3 Bc5!? 4.Nxd4?! Nf6, you've been pulled into a Scotch-like position where black has saved a tempo on ...Nb8-c6 and is getting ahead in castling and development. There is already no comfortable way for white to finish development and hold on to the e4 pawn.

Instead 4.Bc4 would lead to a normal Scotch gambit-type position. For example, if 4...Nf6, black is the one who will pay for playing 3...Bc5 instead of 3...Nc6 after 5.e5 d5 6.exf6 fxc4 7.fxg7 [no bishop on f8!]. Or if 4...Nc6, white can choose between 5.Ng5 Nh6 6.Nxf7 Nxf7 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qh5+, and 5.c3, after which black can transpose to an old and well-known Italian game line with 5...Nf6.

You don't to memorize opening lines in order to be able to figure this out. It's a matter of having a feel for development, initiative, and king safety, which should come with proper study and experience.

man what do you have ? a free fishstock from Viz magazine ? do you want some feedback or are you just having a laugh ? because its a nice thread you've put together like.

Alright thanks chuddog. Btw i didn't play this game really looking for improvement, just wanted to see how long i can last unfortunately i got tricked as soon as it was possible!

That game is more interesting as it seems at first... interesting to see how bad 2.d4 already is (in the sense of keeping the "first-move" advantage).

2.d4 is already a move, that throws away the "first-move" advantage. The position is equal.

2...Bc5 is a strong engine move actually. It tries to defend the pawn as much as possible and if White does not go into Gambit-lines (which White should be ready to do when playing 2.d4) with an unclear outcome, Black is at least equal (if not better).

3.Nxd4 even gives Black already the initiative (the position is still equal, but it is White who needs to be careful). Something went wrong here aleady and I will therefore stop analysing here. White should go for Gambit-lines instead (he could as well play the main move 2.Qxd4 and go into Gambit-lines). Better would be 3.Bc4 (with many options to keep the evaluation equal... but no advantage).

lukascohen it is true that u did not make any obvious blunder but u make positional mistakes which against a strong chess engine were definitely bound to meet punishment. As far as chess.com analysis is concerned they don't offer any deep analysis of those games that's y computer often dont point out positional errors . They usually covers blunders and tactical opportunities only. E.g at move 5 u moved ur night from d5 to b3. Unnecessarily wasting a precious move in the opening and violating the general principle of not moving the same piece in the opening .Infect your move helped the enemy to improved his position .He pinned your night and suddenly your e pawn was under attack. chess engines like stock fish are ruthless opponents, showing zero tolerance to such minor positional mistakes so you spent rest of your game merely defending. i think Bishop 5.f4 was a better move bring a piece into the game and preparing your king for castling.

My analysis:

YOU SUCK!!!!!!

No jk, i know d4 is not very strong but who cares, it's not like i was gonna win if i didn't play that move

I briefly analyzed your game here https://youtu.be/Vesf7ldDhzo?t=2m47s .

Thanks, that was instructive

T

Because you resigned. If you think you were doing well why resign?

Um, what? I was completely losing at the end. I think u should read my first post on this thread.

'I LOST IN 18 MOVES, BUT DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE MISTAKE?' You cannot lose without making a mistake.

sigh. That's the point. The computer says that i didn't make mistakes and yet i lost. Read. My. First. Post. Please., as i said to the previous guy.

....... the computer was ahead of you making the "right" choices , that's all
and i must say upon reviewing your game , it seems like you were on your heels / defensive almost from the start . could have been you were too slow in transposing into the Scotch or did it poorly . Try again would be my best advice or have another engine review the game.

Bro, the chess.com engine is Stockfish But maybe you're right, Komodo will probably do a better job.

The only thing i understood was i should have played 12.c4. I think the other moves weren't so bad, like, instead of blocking the check with Kh1, it likes Rf2 more, i don't see the difference But thanks anyways