i thought of this very easy chess puzzle

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this position is very unlikely

white to move and win material

edit: stockfish got the same solution as I did

edit #2: i fixed the Qe2+ line

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1.Qxd5+ Bxd5 2.Rxd5+ and white is up a bishop

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Nivaan-a453896d wrote:

1.Qxd5+ Bxd5 2.Rxd5+ and white is up a bishop

do I even need to explain?

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I thought Qh3+ Kg5 Rxd5+ Bxd5 Rxh8

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#2 no, black is up by 2 pawns because white does not have a bishop. #4 is correct, because that wins a queen (because you take the queen with your rook and when he takes back with the bishop, you take the rook).

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There is another solution: 1. Qe2+. After winning the queen, white also wins the bishop with a fork and the endgame is winning.

A good puzzle should have only one solution.

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magipi wrote:

There is another solution: 1. Qe2+. After winning the queen, white also wins the bishop with a fork and the endgame is winning.

A good puzzle should have only one solution.

Qe2+ is a miss

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Just_an_average_player136 wrote:
magipi wrote:

There is another solution: 1. Qe2+. After winning the queen, white also wins the bishop with a fork and the endgame is winning.

A good puzzle should have only one solution.

Qe2+ is a miss

According to what?

Stockfish says that Qe2+ is +7.

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magipi wrote:
Just_an_average_player136 wrote:
magipi wrote:

There is another solution: 1. Qe2+. After winning the queen, white also wins the bishop with a fork and the endgame is winning.

A good puzzle should have only one solution.

Qe2+ is a miss

According to what?

Stockfish says that Qe2+ is +7.

The engine?

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Why do my screenshots look faded here

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Just_an_average_player136 wrote:
magipi wrote:
Just_an_average_player136 wrote:
magipi wrote:

There is another solution: 1. Qe2+. After winning the queen, white also wins the bishop with a fork and the endgame is winning.

A good puzzle should have only one solution.

Qe2+ is a miss

According to what?

Stockfish says that Qe2+ is +7.

The engine?

Yes, the engine.

After thinking for a few more minutes, he says +23. Probably he'll announce mate.

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Just_an_average_player136 wrote:

That screenshot just shows how awful chess.com's Game review is.

First, it uses a super shallow analysis, thinking like 0.1 second.

Additionally, Qe2 is +3 even according to that super shallow analysis, so calling it a "miss" is insane.

Nobody should ever use Game review for anything. It's a disgrace how bad it is.

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#6 at the end of the Qe2+ line, you have a queen against a rook. At the end of the Qh3+ line, you have a queen against the bishop.

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Fet wrote:

#6 at the end of the Qe2+ line, you have a queen against a rook. At the end of the Qh3+ line, you have a queen against the bishop.

It's true.

The first one is easier to win, no doubt about that.

However, the second one is winning too. And that's a problem, because a good puzzle should have only one solution.

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PMCB363 wrote:

I thought Qh3+ Kg5 Rxd5+ Bxd5 Rxh8

bingo

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magipi wrote:

There is another solution: 1. Qe2+. After winning the queen, white also wins the bishop with a fork and the endgame is winning.

A good puzzle should have only one solution.

yes, but if you do Qh3+ then you will have queen vs bishop but here you have queen vs rook

edit: somebody else already said this

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BlueberryChess6942 wrote:
magipi wrote:

There is another solution: 1. Qe2+. After winning the queen, white also wins the bishop with a fork and the endgame is winning.

A good puzzle should have only one solution.

yes, but if you do Qh3+ then you will have queen vs bishop but here you have queen vs rook

edit: somebody else already said this

... and it's irrelevant, because a good puzzle should have only one solution. Not two.