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  • #41
    woodshover wrote:
    AnthonyCG wrote:
    woodshover wrote:
    Tarzan123 wrote:

    I want to become a Grandmaster one day (doesn't everybody?), but what's the "official" way of doing it?  Message me if you can help.  I hope my youth is to my advantage in this.


    I know a lot of people on here don't believe this, but if you don't have the talent for it, it doesn't matter how young you are, you won't become one, no matter how much you study.


    Talent is worthless without hard work.

    There are plenty of chess hustlers in the parks that play at 2000 levels but just aren't rated that way because they don't try to get there.


    It takes BOTH hard work and talent.


    So true.

  • #42
    dashkee94 wrote:

    Musikamole

    If you have any games you are not sure of what happened or why, or if you have some questions you can't answer about them, drop me a line or message on my profile.  I'll see what I can do with them for you.


    Thank you. I have chess engines, like Rybka 4, that show my mistakes, i.e., -+ 0.50.  What Rybka 4 doesn't do is tell me why the moves are mistakes.

    Fritz 12 has a cool feature called explain all moves. Even with this, I'm not always sure why my move is considered a mistake. I'll send a few mistakes your way after some review. Thanks. Smile

    Example: After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Be3
    5...

    Qd8-f6 Defends threatened piece
    Qd8-e7 C45: Scotch Game
    Bc5xd4 Attacking piece gets captured
    Nc6xd4 Attacking piece gets captured
    Nc6-e5 Attacked piece moves away
    Bc5-b6 C45: Scotch Game
    Nc6-e7 Attacked piece moves away
    Nc6-e5 Attacked piece moves away
    Qd8-h4 C45: Scotch Game
    Bc5-d6 Bad development - piece moves again
    Nc6-b8 Attacked piece moves away
    Bc5-b4+ This check is easily parried
    Bc5-e7 Blocks Qd8
    Nc6-a5 Attacked piece moves away
    Bc5-f8 Bad development - piece moves again
    b7-b6 Is wrong
    d7-d6 Is tactically incorrect
    Nc6-b4 Is not playable
    Ng8-f6, d7-d5, a7-a6, a7-a5, Ng8-h6, h7-h5, h7-h6, f7-f5 Loses material


  • #43

    To Musikamole

    I play the Scotch Gambit myself.  4.Bc4 is a good move.  If you want, I can forward you some Morphy games where white just rocks, and this line worked against a 2310 for me in a tournament a couple of months ago (I lost, but it wasn't due to the opening).  People below 2500 still get rocked by this stuff.

  • #44
    dashkee94 wrote:

    To Musikamole

    I play the Scotch Gambit myself.  4.Bc4 is a good move.  If you want, I can forward you some Morphy games where white just rocks, and this line worked against a 2310 for me in a tournament a couple of months ago (I lost, but it wasn't due to the opening).  People below 2500 still get rocked by this stuff.


    Please do. I love the games of Morphy and will post a few I found where he plays the Scotch Gambit with 4.Bc4.

    I played the Scotch Gambit some months ago, as well as the Danish Gambit. I really liked the ease in which I could develop my pieces and begin attacking quickly. Who needs a d-pawn. Smile

    You got me thinking more about looking at games played a long time ago as well as games played by club players, rather than titled players. The GM games are so perfect and nothing like what I experience in Live Chess.

    Looking at the historical games of Morphy, I get to see his opponents slip up, and then learn what those mistakes look like so that I can punish my opponents when they make those same mistakes.

    GM's rarely make mistakes, since they know openings like the Scotch Gambit all the way to one gazillion moves, knowing which lines to avoid and which lines will produce a favorable endgame.

    My opponents and I don't play that kind of chess, nor could we.  At my level, it's more like chess from the Romantic period:  

    Fast development of their army, followed by direct attacks on the enemy.

    Go all-out for Checkmate but, if you found your game heading for a Loss, then above all, make it a glorious one.

    If a player offers a piece for a sacrifice, the opponent is compelled to Accept, else face humiliation for the cowardly refusal.

    Positional chess? What's that? Laughing

     





    What can I hope to learn from watching Polgar and her very strong opponent Joel Benjamin? It's way over my head. Here's the same exciting opening, ending in a draw. Ugh!

     


  • #45

    You learn quickly, grasshopper.  I'll post some games here later.

  • #46

    If you got the talent I don't think age matters, if you have enough years left you'll be GM annyway, but you need the talent. Human brains could work fine up to 60-70 years of age, but after 70.... forget it I'm afraid...

  • #47
    bobbygoddin13 wrote:

    This is very immpressive! One of the highest rated young people I know of :) I know a 2200 USCF rated eigth grader in Indiana.


    is that kid sean vibbert?

  • #48

    Yes everyone can be an Gm it's just the richt way of training , top gm igor Smirnov , hè is the best coach ever , hè have make his own 8 unic courses and free video Lesson , They are for any amateur any age , to became an gm hè explain eveything , and Also why you not need talent etc HUGE MORE HE is the #1 chess coach ever !!!!!!

  • #49

    Viswanathan Anand

    ReporterPeople have this misunderstanding about chess that, you know, you need some incredible mental talent and you don’t need to work really hard to get good at it.

    Anand: Well, it is true that people are unfamiliar of what goes into efficient chess preparation.

    I have a database of about 15 million games. So from this database, I decide what I am going to play and what my opponent is likely to choose.

    You need to be familiar with what you are going to play, make sure you check everything, and you have to remember this.

    Besides, you have to constantly train your skills. I mean chess players are famous for calculating 20/30 moves ahead. That is SKILL! If you don’t practice all the time you start making mistakes.

     

    And also GM Igor smirnov say on his blog.

    Hey, you are a talented person. Everything is simple for you. In my case it’s much more difficult”.

    Do you think I born with a GM title? :) Of course not. Some time ago I was in the same situation as you: I tried to get better in chess, but didn’t know how to do it. There was a time, when I stuck without chess improvement for about 3-4 years (!!). I was training hard, but didn’t get any results. Heck, I even considered leaving chess. Do you still think that I am genius? :)

    However, when I found and implemented the correct training methods, things got much better! I sped up my progress, won some tournaments and achieved the GM title.

    I just want to show you that your chess progress depends mostly on your training (not on your “talent”).

    Perhaps not everyone can be a world champion. Here you really need chess talent and favorable circumstances. However, everyone can reach at least 2300-2400 rating. It’s just a matter of a right training.

  • #50

    Samuel has finally reached IM! He got his third norm recently.  Plus his rating is only around 10 points away from 2500.

  • #51

     I know a almost 2200 in my club about a 7th grader 

     

  • #52
    StupidGM έγραψε:

    All this shows is that chess is getting easier to solve, thanks to engines.   

    Internet trolling helps more than engines, though.

  • #53

    He is a chess prodigy, broke alot of records and youngest ever GM in US

  • #54
    Musikamole wrote:

    ...maybe it's not to late for this 51 year old guy. The 9 year old boy didn't start to learn chess at birth, did he? And even if he did, I could still make Chess Master by age 60. happy.png

    As a 66 year-old who would be thrilled to make 1800 OTB USCF, I hope you make it!

    But remember that 9 year-old minds are much more able to learn new things than those of us on the wrong end of a half-century.

    See my profile pic of me playing Chopin on a Steinway Concert Grand Piano  at the ACE Recital of the Peabody Institute of Johns Hopkins University?  I started learning piano at age 51 and spent severao years being humiliated by the fact that most of my virtuoso teacher's 12 year-old student could play better than I ever will before my auditions put me in that recital.  The ACE Recital is the best of the adult program's students.

    So yes, there's always hope for us but it's much harder and it takes putting in a lot of study and play time to reach master level, just as it does in piano: the typical high school student who gets admitted to the world-class Peabody Conservatory for piano, violin, clarinet, etc. has been studying four hours per day since the age of six.  Fortunately, the adult division just requires a checkbook or credit card!

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