If Albert Einstein played chess he could have been one of the greatest Chess Player🏤🏡⛲

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I think they used to play fiddles as well.

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It's slightly funny winding up the obsessives and weirdos here but only very slightly. Mainly they're very boring.

I once read a book and it didn't tell me about Einstein either. Idiot. happy.png

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OH COME ON!?

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So after 911 all their concern was to hide the true facts about Einstein. After the attack on the twin towers, CIA contacted Mosad and they decided to erase many details about Einstein. Yes , makes a lot of sense but can you please explain me why.What made them suddenly protect Einstein's posthumous reputation?Why did they even care ?>>

The USA and Israel both think they gain a lot of kudos from Einstein. For whatever reason .... probably that one .... Einstein's image has been cleaned up a lot in the past 20 years and his intellectual estate is protected. Nothing defamatory is written about him in the mainstream media. He's a bit like Mother Theresa, who, as you should know, wasn't a very nice or good person but is regarded as a spiritual example to us all.

Einstein's separation agreement with his first wife Mileva included instructions that she should cook for him, never engage him in conversation, act as a servant etc, in return for which she would get all the Nobel Prize moneys. That much information is readily available online but not the bit where Einstein agrees not to beat her, as he so often did. He was also a serial womaniser, probably a rapist and child molester and had a sexual relationship with his niece who committed suicide because of it. If the cute quotations about wisdom and world peace that he's reputed to have constantly made outweigh all that then I'm very happy for you. It is possible to get the details of this stuff even now but it's harder than it was. And anyone writing a biography sanctioned by his estate isn't really going to mention any of it, except in the most diluted terms. But seeing as you live in your own heads rather than the real world, I expect you'll say I'm imagining it all. If you want any more information, please do your own research.

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The Twin Towers is a chronological fix which roughly locates the time this started to happen. It isn't given as a reason for it. However, there was a thread recently where someone was claiming that people here aren't nice any more. Actually, I've noticed it too and what she was saying about people not saying "hi" any more when playing is correct. After 911, it was very noticeable that there was much more general aggression online, which lasted for about a year. Trolling and personal attacks on chess sites. I don't think I was playing on this site back then. Actually, the first thing I did when I heard about the 911 attacks, when I got home, was Google "Jihad against America" and I found about a hundred sites dedicated to such atrocities. By the very next day all these sites had been taken down completely. They might have done better to leave them up and monitor hits on them, because of course, taking them down led to thousands of idiots claiming that it was an inside job by Mossad or the CIA. Anyway, after this, a lot of people became rather psychotic online and things took a good year to calm down. One way of calming things is to increase feelings of well-being and this can be achieved by declaring war on the wrong people, for instance, or saying to each other how wonderful Einstein was, to give two examples.

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Or by having warm socks in the Winter, of course.

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I'm calling bullshit.  Optimissed you are well known around here as being full of shit and full of yourself.  Post credible citations for the crap  you post or STFU.  

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Optimissed wrote:

...I did quite extensive research before 911. After 911, the American-Israeli pact decided to deify Einstein so it is no longer possible to get the real facts online, because his image is protected by agents acting on behalf of his estate, ...

It's definitely in my brain because ...

Can we safely assume that you do not want to be specific about non-online sources uncovered by your research?

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If many players of chess had focused one useful things, humanity would be way advanced

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kindaspongey wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

...I did quite extensive research before 911. After 911, the American-Israeli pact decided to deify Einstein so it is no longer possible to get the real facts online, because his image is protected by agents acting on behalf of his estate, ...

It's definitely in my brain because ...

Can we safely assume that you do not want to be specific about non-online sources uncovered by your research?

Yes.

 

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ilovesmetuna wrote:

i bet even optimissy was impressed by that himself! 

It was superb and consummately won the day. But this isn't:

"Here is the truth. Einstein was a great personality in science , no one can take that away from him. His personal life was his problem. No one cares if Einstein was a good man. No one erased a single thing about him because simply no one gives a shit. "

That's the most wishful of wishful thinking. You obviously don't give a shit, which is why you didn't make that comment.

 

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If he dedicated the amount of time/energy to chess as he did to physics then I'm sure he would have made it to GM at least and maybe even super GM.

You don't need to have a high IQ to become a GM but having a high IQ certainly helps if you want to become a GM happy.png.

Also from what I've read, Einstein never really took an IQ test. It is estimated that his IQ was around 160 on a scale of 162. Hence it's not really comparable to tests with an upper ceiling of over 200.

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It's supposed to be compatible, according to some stuff I read in the 70s about culture-neutral intelligence testing.

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forked_again wrote:

I'm calling bullshit.  Optimissed you are well known around here as being full of shit and full of yourself.  Post credible citations for the crap  you post or STFU.

Please post credible arguments as to why I should post citations; and also you should know that you should post citations for your arguments. After all, arguments aren't credible unless someone else thought of them first, and since someone always thought of an argument first, that means that no argument is credible, ever.

FYI, this forum isn't some kind of history PhD and I really don't mind whether you believe me or not. After all, who are you?

 

 

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Optimissed if you are such a friggin genius, why can't you even figure out how to post correctly, without putting your comment in the quote section?  

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Optimissed wrote:

 


Please post credible arguments as to why I should post citations; and also you should know that you should post citations for your arguments. After all, arguments aren't credible unless someone else thought of them first, and since someone always thought of an argument first, that means that no argument is credible, ever.

FYI, this forum isn't some kind of history PhD and I really don't mind whether you believe me or not. After all, who are you?

 

You are right Optimissed, you don't have to post citations or do anything else you don't want to do. 

It's just that it's a good way for people on the internet to separate intelligent conversation from steaming piles of horse shit, and it doesn't surprise me that your posts fit in the former category.  

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kindaspongey wrote:

"Emanuel Lasker was undoubtedly one of the most interesting people I came to know in my later years. ... I am not a chess expert and therefore not in a position to marvel at the force of mind revealed in his greatest intellectual achievement - in the field of chess. I must even confess that the struggle for power and the competitive spirit expressed in the form of an ingenious game have always been repugant to me. I met Emanuel Lasker at the house of my old friend, Alexander Moszkowski, and came to know him well in the course of many walks in which we exchanged opinions about the most varied questions. ... it seemed to me that chess was more a profession for him than the real goal of his life. ... the chess playing of a master ties him to the game, fetters his mind and shapes it to a certain extent so that his internal freedom and ease, no matter how strong he is, must inevitably be affected. In our conversations and in the reading of his philosophical books, I always had that feeling. ... I liked Lasker's immovable independence, a rare human attribute, in which respect almost all, including intelligent people, are mediocrities. ... I am thankful for the hours of conversation which this ever striving, independent, simple man granted me." - Einstein (1952)

where is the refrence?

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do anybody thinks if he tried he could have been in the leagues of Fischer Kasparov or carlsen true or False>>

Probably false unless he got his first wife, Mileva Maric, to feed him moves.

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EINSTEIN  WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE DONE NEAR AS WELL AS FISCHER, KASPAROV ETC. 

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"Emanuel Lasker was undoubtedly one of the most interesting people I came to know in my later years. ... I am not a chess expert and therefore not in a position to marvel at the force of mind revealed in his greatest intellectual achievement - in the field of chess. I must even confess that the struggle for power and the competitive spirit expressed in the form of an ingenious game have always been repugnant to me.

That's a lie, of course. Freudian defence mechanism since Einstein played power games all his adult life.


I met Emanuel Lasker at the house of my old friend, Alexander Moszkowski, and came to know him well in the course of many walks in which we exchanged opinions about the most varied questions. ... it seemed to me that chess was more a profession for him than the real goal of his life. ... the chess playing of a master ties him to the game, fetters his mind and shapes it to a certain extent so that his internal freedom and ease, no matter how strong he is, must inevitably be affected.

That's probably true. Good comment there.

In our conversations and in the reading of his philosophical books, I always had that feeling. ... I liked Lasker's immovable independence, a rare human attribute, in which respect almost all, including intelligent people, are mediocrities. ... I am thankful for the hours of conversation which this ever striving, independent, simple man granted me." Einstein (1952)

A bit patronising? At this time, 1952 and just before, my late father knew scientists who knew Einstein. He once told me, when I was very young, that Einstein's associates didn't seem to like him. He wouldn't tell me why, though.