If Fischer would played Karpov for the World Champion, who would win?

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blueemu

There's an old Spanish proverb: "A fly does not enter a closed mouth."

Chris-de-Burger

The Spaniards should brush their teeth more often.

Indianprince54

Fischer would be easy prey for Karpov. 

blueemu
tara837 wrote:

Fischer would be easy prey for Karpov. 

Nowadays, yes. Fischer would lose on time (he's dead).

Chris-de-Burger

Karpov now has his best chance against Fischer, someone should organize the match.

najdorf96

SS~obviously, your twisted logic makes no sense. Everyone (I would think) knows Misha had an winning record vs Bobby. Cool that your philosophy is "making everybody happy" but it definitely doesn't excuse your previous anti-Fischer comments.

Many of my generation got into chess because of Fischer (I, for one, am still inspired) and I don't consider your quotes as genuine. Dunno. Referring to us as Fischerphiles reflects ignorance to the impact Bobby made on American chess. To the World, even.

najdorf96

It soo funny, hijo, that you say that all of Kasparov's achievements tramples, or destroys Fischer's achievements. Because it hasn't. Fischer's Legacy still lives on til this day.

Indeed, for someone whining about accomplishments some players could've (or should've) achieved had they continued playing ie "let's look at their record", you spend alot of time comparing (theoretically) strengths of opposition. Unrelative to their records & accomplishments.

Fischer's opponents include at least 5 WCs, several noted World Contenders, Icons * noted chess theorists, those that paved the way for how we play chess today (and ironically, in the previous gen)

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macer75
RNTRYTKUAYLKJHGGFDFE wrote:
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I agree.

najdorf96

You're right about the former USSR having the most elite chessplayers & producing, refining Champions. But the fact that an Non-Soviet player took on the Russian Machine (an American in fact!) Took the WC especially at the height of their powers...and how he did it. Geez. To me, more than trumps any accomplishments from an computer/soviet assisted player from Baku. (Even if he:s the most successful Tourney play or having manufactured his own WC titles)

Cool.

macer75
mashanator wrote:
 What would you think of Kasparov if he wasn't American?

Um...

Sizzle66

What does the red circle with a line through it mean ?

Chris-de-Burger

What's Kasparov got to do with a Fischer v Karpov match ?

Besides, nobody talked about Kasparov when Tal was king.

En_Garde_2014
najdorf96 wrote:

SS~obviously, your twisted logic makes no sense. Everyone (I would think) knows Misha had an winning record vs Bobby. Cool that your philosophy is "making everybody happy" but it definitely doesn't excuse your previous anti-Fischer comments.

Many of my generation got into chess because of Fischer (I, for one, am still inspired) and I don't consider your quotes as genuine. Dunno. Referring to us as Fischerphiles reflects ignorance to the impact Bobby made on American chess. To the World, even.

    It's called sarcasm.  I was demonstrating how silly you all sound when someone points out a record or score where someone else performs far better than Fischer, yet you conclude the opposite and say Fischer was better. (examples used so far have been many of Kasparov's and Karpov's records being superior to Fischer's as well as some of Petrosian's and Tal's)  In this situation, I was using sarcasm as a humorous way of making a point.  

   sar·casm

noun \ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\

: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny

   As for calling people, "Fischerphiles".  I never meant any offense.  Philos is a Greek word meaning brotherly love or affection.  

Philos: a friend; someone dearly loved (prized) in a personal, intimate way; a trusted confidant, held dear in a close bond of personal affection.

When you add it to an English word you are creating a word meaning 'affinity for' or 'love of' the object in the word.  Examples: bibliophile means, "lover of books" (could be a book collector or someone who loves to read books etc.) philosophy literally means, "lover of wisdom/knowledge" a philanthropist means, "lover of humanity"

   So, when I call someone who likes/loves/has affinity for Fischer a Fischerphile I haven't insulted them.  I've given a brief, accurate discription so everyone knows who I'm addressing.  As I pointed out in an earlier post, I myself like Fischer.  I saved the scoldings for the "ardent Fischerphiles" who are approaching religious fanaticism in their hero worship.

camberfoil

You forgot lexophile: someone who loves words.

En_Garde_2014
camberfoil wrote:

You forgot lexophile: someone who loves words.

Laughing

camberfoil

Or he's the guy who spies on Lex Luthor...

yureesystem

hijodeluna wrote: I worked a bit with Tal. Around 1980, he visited Baku, we played a couple of training games, and the chess contact wasn't lost until Tal's very last days. There was a blitz tournament in Moscow, one month before Tal's death. He looked horribly. But Tal was still Tal. In this blitz tournament, I lost my only game to him. I retaliated in the second round, but the fact was that until the very end, he still had this vision of games. He was the only one I knew who didn't calculate the variants, he saw them.

 

You make some good points and yes, Kapsarov record is impressive but he had a lot help  from Botvinnik, the Soviet  School of chess and a team of GMs, plus I will add Kasparov had a lot talent. He was able to ask questions when he was stuck and couldn't figure it out, with that type of an environment he improve quickly. Fischer did not have this and all his work and study help him to become first class grandmaster among his very strong peers.

windmill64
hijodeluna wrote:
 Don't hate him because he was taught more - that is the job in chess as a competitor to learn more than your opponents.

Yes and the argument is one did it locked up in his room with some books and board and another did it in a chess school with masters training him. Some people would think the former was a more impressive accomplishment than the latter and possibly speculate the height that one might have obtained had he such fortune as the latter as well. When a brilliant star comes from nowhere and fades unexpectedly we give wonder at such mystery. A brilliant star from an expected source is much less so.

But I disgress.

bqfun53

Easy! Fischer would! If he had enough time to prep he could absorb enough info to win.