Improving in other time controls other than bullet - Chess Forums - Page 2

llama47

Jan 21, 2022

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#21

TacticalPrecision wrote:

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

TacticalPrecision wrote:

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

llama47 wrote:

Doesn't really matter what they're called does it?

We all understand 30|0 is twice as long as 15|0 and only half as long as 60|0.

Long time controls are good, but the problem is you can't play many of them in a day.

For me, I believe playing an hour of blitz, followed by an hour of analyzing would be better than playing a single G/60

But like I was saying, that's just the homework. To figure out whether you're actually learning you should eventually take an exam (i.e. game as long as a tournament game).

That's just how I see it.

Personally I think analysis of online games should take twice as long as it took to play them, while analyzing longer games should take around the same amount of time it took to play them. Otherwise it's not really "analysis".

I really don't think you can truly analyze a blitz game in 6 minutes.

yeah
spending hours with my coach analyzing my longer games actually helped me a lot

...

Spending hours with your coach analyzing? Good lord...

A coach? It's a board game. You guys are crazier than we thought.

bro your crazier than i though

a dance coach? it's just some random body movements

a music coach? it's just some random sounds

Music and dance is art. That you could put a board game no adults care about in the same category is just...sad. You plan on doing this for the rest of your life, too. You said you want to be a Pro GM who streams and teaches. HOW can you have any interest in devoting your life to a thousands year old board game?

Nobody does that today lol. It's 2022.

More people play chess today than 50 or 100 years ago.

Anyway, I see you're tilted in blitz. Maybe calm down and post again when you're not so upset with yourself. That way you won't have to make up excuses for why chess is a bad game.

llama47

Jan 21, 2022

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#22

TacticalPrecision wrote:

llama47 wrote:

TacticalPrecision wrote:

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

TacticalPrecision wrote:

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

llama47 wrote:

Doesn't really matter what they're called does it?

We all understand 30|0 is twice as long as 15|0 and only half as long as 60|0.

Long time controls are good, but the problem is you can't play many of them in a day.

For me, I believe playing an hour of blitz, followed by an hour of analyzing would be better than playing a single G/60

But like I was saying, that's just the homework. To figure out whether you're actually learning you should eventually take an exam (i.e. game as long as a tournament game).

That's just how I see it.

Personally I think analysis of online games should take twice as long as it took to play them, while analyzing longer games should take around the same amount of time it took to play them. Otherwise it's not really "analysis".

I really don't think you can truly analyze a blitz game in 6 minutes.

yeah
spending hours with my coach analyzing my longer games actually helped me a lot

...

Spending hours with your coach analyzing? Good lord...

A coach? It's a board game. You guys are crazier than we thought.

bro your crazier than i though

a dance coach? it's just some random body movements

a music coach? it's just some random sounds

Music and dance is art. That you could put a board game no adults care about in the same category is just...sad. You plan on doing this for the rest of your life, too. You said you want to be a Pro GM who streams and teaches. HOW can you have any interest in devoting your life to a thousands year old board game?

Nobody does that today lol. It's 2022.

More people play chess today than 50 or 100 years ago.

Anyway, I see you're tilted in blitz. Maybe calm down and post again when you're not so upset with yourself. That way you won't have to make up excuses for why chess is a bad game.

...You, too? Totally enveloped in this?

I'm never upset at myself over Chess. That would be insane. I'm upset at the game for being such a haven for people who have no respect for other people's time, and think that grinding away at a losing position is "tough", instead of what it really is: Stubborn to the point of weakness.

Yeah, ok well:

http://read.gov/aesop/005.html

Zardorian

Jan 21, 2022

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#23

Wow, Tacti is ranting on this thread, too. I’m starting to get the impression you are just a troll, calling people children who play chess on a Chess site. And loling about it. If you think it’s just a children’s game, you should be a lot better at it.

Zardorian

Jan 21, 2022

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#24

Anyway, all trolls aside, to comment to the actual topic here, what I like to do is try and inch my way forward in each time control. I try to get a little better at rapid, then blitz, and then bullet, etc. When I get a little better at one, I then try to get a little better at the other, etc.

Zardorian

Jan 21, 2022

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#25

“Almost everyone else“ is an assumption you’re making. In your second paragraph you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder against those who are really good at this game. I happen to have a lot of respect for them. Achieving a high-level in chess requires a lot of hard work, determination and intelligence. Those are all very honorable traits to have.

PineappleBird

Jan 22, 2022

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#26

ColeIsInTheWoods wrote:

HeroinSheep wrote:

You played 1800 bullet games and about 200 rapid games...

Maybe play like 300 rapid games in the coming months and lay off the bullet and you will obviously improve?

simple

oh also I really like the format 30+0 and 30+20... It connects you with the beauty of chess more than stupid superficial and just wrong thoughts that fill your mind when you play blitz and bullet... Of course then you face the biggest demon of "concentration" in a 30+0 game... you gotta face it though and it will ultimately improve your bullet too...

This is defiantly true, I often play bullet because its much easier to fit in a ton of games of bullet on a bus ride, and not have to worry about quitting mid way through. But defiantly this advice is very good. I have super bad ADHD and that is probably why i play so much bullet; its a great quick dopamine fix. Speaking of dopamine sick name Keep that narcan with u brodie lmao.

Maybe change your bus activity to puzzles?

I for one get completely distracted by ANYTHING if I play chess, I need to play in a completely quiet environment. So props to you for being able to cut out the noise on the bus to some extent, even if just for bullet.

My point is, we all get distracted from stuff and find it hard to concentrate even in quiet scenario, and in 30+0 in particular (example; play a good game, then calculate something for 10 minutes decide it dosen't work then just play one of the variations you already calculated do not work just cause you forgot you calculated it; pure lack of concentration from "too much time to think", very frustrating)

as for so called "ADHD", that's to some extent a term invented by doctors to make money on moms who can't handle that their kid isn't so in to school. Not a thing.

Don't be afraid to work on your concentration, and I'm sure you can concentrate like a boss on stuff you dig

ColeIsInTheWoods

Jan 22, 2022

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#27

llama47 wrote:

TacticalPrecision wrote:

llama47 wrote:

TacticalPrecision wrote:

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

TacticalPrecision wrote:

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

llama47 wrote:

Doesn't really matter what they're called does it?

We all understand 30|0 is twice as long as 15|0 and only half as long as 60|0.

Long time controls are good, but the problem is you can't play many of them in a day.

For me, I believe playing an hour of blitz, followed by an hour of analyzing would be better than playing a single G/60

But like I was saying, that's just the homework. To figure out whether you're actually learning you should eventually take an exam (i.e. game as long as a tournament game).

That's just how I see it.

Personally I think analysis of online games should take twice as long as it took to play them, while analyzing longer games should take around the same amount of time it took to play them. Otherwise it's not really "analysis".

I really don't think you can truly analyze a blitz game in 6 minutes.

yeah
spending hours with my coach analyzing my longer games actually helped me a lot

...

Spending hours with your coach analyzing? Good lord...

A coach? It's a board game. You guys are crazier than we thought.

bro your crazier than i though

a dance coach? it's just some random body movements

a music coach? it's just some random sounds

Music and dance is art. That you could put a board game no adults care about in the same category is just...sad. You plan on doing this for the rest of your life, too. You said you want to be a Pro GM who streams and teaches. HOW can you have any interest in devoting your life to a thousands year old board game?

Nobody does that today lol. It's 2022.

More people play chess today than 50 or 100 years ago.

Anyway, I see you're tilted in blitz. Maybe calm down and post again when you're not so upset with yourself. That way you won't have to make up excuses for why chess is a bad game.

...You, too? Totally enveloped in this?

I'm never upset at myself over Chess. That would be insane. I'm upset at the game for being such a haven for people who have no respect for other people's time, and think that grinding away at a losing position is "tough", instead of what it really is: Stubborn to the point of weakness.

Yeah, ok well:

http://read.gov/aesop/005.html

LMFAO BASED RESPONSE

ColeIsInTheWoods

Jan 22, 2022

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#28

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Dancing is a silly action for fools.

Painting is a silly activity for children.

Music is a competition of who makes the louder sound.

Bro, chill, you do not get to define what something is or not. There is already a concrete definition: that chess is either a sport or an art. Pick your match

(Also, don't do drugs kids, this could be the reason.)

Nah bro people who do drugs are muchhhh chiller then this lol this guy is just a jerk haha

ColeIsInTheWoods

Jan 22, 2022

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#29

HeroinSheep wrote:

ColeIsInTheWoods wrote:

HeroinSheep wrote:

You played 1800 bullet games and about 200 rapid games...

Maybe play like 300 rapid games in the coming months and lay off the bullet and you will obviously improve?

simple

oh also I really like the format 30+0 and 30+20... It connects you with the beauty of chess more than stupid superficial and just wrong thoughts that fill your mind when you play blitz and bullet... Of course then you face the biggest demon of "concentration" in a 30+0 game... you gotta face it though and it will ultimately improve your bullet too...

This is defiantly true, I often play bullet because its much easier to fit in a ton of games of bullet on a bus ride, and not have to worry about quitting mid way through. But defiantly this advice is very good. I have super bad ADHD and that is probably why i play so much bullet; its a great quick dopamine fix. Speaking of dopamine sick name Keep that narcan with u brodie lmao.

Maybe change your bus activity to puzzles?

I for one get completely distracted by ANYTHING if I play chess, I need to play in a completely quiet environment. So props to you for being able to cut out the noise on the bus to some extent, even if just for bullet.

My point is, we all get distracted from stuff and find it hard to concentrate even in quiet scenario, and in 30+0 in particular (example; play a good game, then calculate something for 10 minutes decide it dosen't work then just play one of the variations you already calculated do not work just cause you forgot you calculated it; pure lack of concentration from "too much time to think", very frustrating)

as for so called "ADHD", that's to some extent a term invented by doctors to make money on moms who can't handle that their kid isn't so in to school. Not a thing.

Don't be afraid to work on your concentration, and I'm sure you can concentrate like a boss on stuff you dig

Yo, super good response, thanks for the advice. I don't want to differentiate too much from the point because your advice was excellent. BUT I do just want to educate you a bit on that one part on ADHD. It is very much a real thing. There are thousands of studies that prove it is an actual thing and is well documented. There is some merit to your point though, many people are misdiagnosed with ADHD and this definitely give some doctors a big payday from pharmaceutical countries, at least in the US. U wouldnt tell someone who is skitsophrenic for example to just stop hearing voices, or someone who is depressed to just stop being sad you feel me? anyway sorry for the random deviation and thanks for the advice. I most certainly do have it, it affects my everyday life in a lot of different ways.

ColeIsInTheWoods

Jan 22, 2022

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#30

chesstenor2018 wrote:

Anyway, all trolls aside, to comment to the actual topic here, what I like to do is try and inch my way forward in each time control. I try to get a little better at rapid, then blitz, and then bullet, etc. When I get a little better at one, I then try to get a little better at the other, etc.

great advice, i have already started to do this

PineappleBird

Jan 22, 2022

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#31

ColeIsInTheWoods wrote:

. There is some merit to your point though, many people are misdiagnosed with ADHD and this definitely give some doctors a big payday from pharmaceutical countries, at least in the US. U wouldnt tell someone who is skitsophrenic for example to just stop hearing voices, or someone who is depressed to just stop being sad you feel me? anyway sorry for the random deviation and thanks for the advice. I most certainly do have it, it affects my everyday life in a lot of different ways.

hey sorry i didn't mean to sound like rude or intolerant... I understand how I may have come off as a bit of a pirc ( <--- in order to not get blocked fur cursing hehe)..

idk I'm a hippie i'm radical against anything that's like medicine oriented (people get like pills for adhd)... I once heard this guy explain something that stops peoples progress in chess is their lack of willingness to think deeply, because thinking deeply is actually really hard. It's hard no matter what level you are... To challenge and push your "depth" to it's limit... And it can be hard emotionally if you do think deeply to the point that it's super hard for you and then you blunder nonetheless.. But if you actually seek improvement that's the way You need to be willing to think deeply and find the fun in it.. And even if you have adhd you don't have to let it define you like... the very "name" of this as a "condition" belongs in... IDK, use it where you need to like university school whatever to get easier tests or what not... otherwise, i believe everyone has adhd or "we are all special" whatever .. u know

ColeIsInTheWoods

Jan 23, 2022

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#32

HeroinSheep wrote:

ColeIsInTheWoods wrote:

. There is some merit to your point though, many people are misdiagnosed with ADHD and this definitely give some doctors a big payday from pharmaceutical countries, at least in the US. U wouldnt tell someone who is skitsophrenic for example to just stop hearing voices, or someone who is depressed to just stop being sad you feel me? anyway sorry for the random deviation and thanks for the advice. I most certainly do have it, it affects my everyday life in a lot of different ways.

hey sorry i didn't mean to sound like rude or intolerant... I understand how I may have come off as a bit of a pirc ( <--- in order to not get blocked fur cursing hehe)..

idk I'm a hippie i'm radical against anything that's like medicine oriented (people get like pills for adhd)... I once heard this guy explain something that stops peoples progress in chess is their lack of willingness to think deeply, because thinking deeply is actually really hard. It's hard no matter what level you are... To challenge and push your "depth" to it's limit... And it can be hard emotionally if you do think deeply to the point that it's super hard for you and then you blunder nonetheless.. But if you actually seek improvement that's the way You need to be willing to think deeply and find the fun in it.. And even if you have adhd you don't have to let it define you like... the very "name" of this as a "condition" belongs in... IDK, use it where you need to like university school whatever to get easier tests or what not... otherwise, i believe everyone has adhd or "we are all special" whatever .. u know

No worries man! I completely understand the medicine pov. They are great tools for a lot of people, but for me they made my life a living hell, i was crazy addicted to pills and other drugs and it all started with the ADHD meds. got a lot of work done tho haha. Diff strokes for diff folks. Im not on a non psychoactive med that while doesn't work nearly as well, has like, no side effects for me so im chillen. I was crazy at chess on addy and ritalin tho, just also heavily addicted to them so i have kinda had to relearn how to play chess in some ways when i got sober.

Legendary_Basilisk

Jan 23, 2022

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#33

llama47 wrote:

IMO games around 30|0 and 15|10 are good practice time controls.

The problem with 90+30 is you can't play very many of them. Long tournaments are like the final exam. Practice games (and then analyzing them) are like homework or something

30|0 and 15|10 leads to very superficial play; they do not give you the time to calculate deeply or the time to come up with unintuitive plans/moves. In many endgames or very sharp positions, deep calculation is required, which is next to impossible in rapid chess. The only thing rapid games are good for, is training intuition. In order to learn decision making / planning, one should play classical chess, and analyze their games without an engine.

llama47

Jan 23, 2022

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#34

Legendary_Basilisk wrote:

llama47 wrote:

IMO games around 30|0 and 15|10 are good practice time controls.

The problem with 90+30 is you can't play very many of them. Long tournaments are like the final exam. Practice games (and then analyzing them) are like homework or something

30|0 and 15|10 leads to very superficial play; they do not give you the time to calculate deeply or the time to come up with unintuitive plans/moves. In many endgames or very sharp positions, deep calculation is required, which is next to impossible in rapid chess. The only thing rapid games are good for, is training intuition. In order to learn decision making / planning, one should play classical chess, and analyze their games without an engine.

The stronger the player, the more that's true. A few weeks ago I was playing something like G/20 in a "simple" rook endgame where even if I'd had 30 minutes for my next move I probably couldn't have figured out the correct idea.

But when I was 1200 there was practically nothing to calculate. Playing a 2 hour game would have been a waste of time.

Legendary_Basilisk

Jan 23, 2022

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#35

llama47 wrote:

Legendary_Basilisk wrote:

llama47 wrote:

IMO games around 30|0 and 15|10 are good practice time controls.

The problem with 90+30 is you can't play very many of them. Long tournaments are like the final exam. Practice games (and then analyzing them) are like homework or something

30|0 and 15|10 leads to very superficial play; they do not give you the time to calculate deeply or the time to come up with unintuitive plans/moves. In many endgames or very sharp positions, deep calculation is required, which is next to impossible in rapid chess. The only thing rapid games are good for, is training intuition. In order to learn decision making / planning, one should play classical chess, and analyze their games without an engine.

The stronger the player, the more that's true. A few weeks ago I was playing something like G/20 in a "simple" rook endgame where even if I'd had 30 minutes for my next move I probably couldn't have figured out the correct idea.

But when I was 1200 there was practically nothing to calculate. Playing a 2 hour game would have been a waste of time.

Fair enough. At a low enough level, it might make sense to play a large amount of blitz, just to learn how to avoid blundering every other move. There is also not much point in analyzing your own games(beyond a simple blunder check) for beginners, since all of their games are decided by blunders. However, once a player is at the level where they need to know how to attack/play positionaly, they should start playing classical and analyze their own games.