Incredible Blitz vs Online Rating Disparity

It's about the same here. Currently the gap is 700, but I think 500 to 600 is average for me.

I'm sure the gap would easily increase a couple of hunderd points if I would play many blitz games on my phone.

Being able to use an opening book in correspondence is a very big advantage over live chess. My observation is that most of the players don't even look at the game explorer provided by chess.com (as judged by some really stupid opening moves made by them). To have a colour coded comprehensive book which can handle transpositions simply wins you the game in the opening against such players. I had a game where my opponent played a very agressive pawnstorm line as white against the Sicilian. In a live game a may have fallen to this line. But the book suggested to put my queen early on an active square and I was able to simply win a center pawn in the opened up position with a queen check. This is a major difference and has nothing to do with cheating.

My difference is about 50 -200 points. Right now is the lowest 97 points. Because I seldom use help. And my opponents in correspondence is 1707 on average. My opponents in blitz is 1563. That's about 104 point difference.

Thirty minutes is nothing. I routinely spend two hours stretched over several days to find one move. Even so, sometimes my positional analysis goes so deep that I do not see the tactical refutation.

i think you need to find a new hobbie, seems like a bit of a waist of time to me. who cares about online chess, its just practice for otb isn't it? who cares if people cheat, more fool them.

Not a waist. Not a hobby. Policing is a full-time, unpaid job.

Those are so painful...

But yeah, in a serious "postal" game I want to look at the position on more than 1 day to help avoid this.  Sometimes the next day you can look at a line and wonder "what was I thinking?!" 

I don't think many players here do this though.

Blitz favors the aggressive player more than long time controls do. It also favors players who go for tricks and traps. In blitz I play far better with white than black. In standard play it is the opposite. In longer time controls I dont give away so many cheapos and I can play better defense. If I am up a pawn or 2 in an endgame, i can plan a way to squeeze a win with long time controls. I can also draw more games down a pawn in long time controls. It's a very different game, and I just cant play blitz.

Alas, with white in long time controls, my opponent has more time to figure out the hypermodern openings I prefer (Reti. English, Organutang, Reverse Pirc, etc.) and they usually don't go for kamikaze attempts to break relatively passive White openings. So my batting average goes down.

I'm a woodpusher and I play other woodpushers. At my level, the time control matters at lot. GM Polgar and GM Short might play with technical excellence at G5 speed, but woodpushers cant.

I dont think I'd bother with postal if more players played G45 or G60. That's really a "standard" time control. G15 or G15/10 is a quick chess time control. I'd be happier if chess.com split games ino Quick (15-29 min) and Standard (30 min+). Until they start G60 tournaments here, I will keep playing postal.

@bongcloud something like that

When I play Online games, I do the same thing as you guys, except I make my moves within 2 to 3 minutes tops.  My opponents seem to like this.

So, hang on, you're completely confused how someone can have a much higher online rating than blitz rating but then boast about only taking at most a few minutes on your online moves?! Do you think that maybe you've just answered your own question?

Oort, the fly in the ointment is that I wasn't bragging!

My apologies, still I think you've pretty much nailed why some have bigger ratings discrepencies than others. I'm sure that someone with your blitz rating could easily add another 400 points to their online rating if you took a bit more time on your moves. I say this because I have no doubt that you're probably a much better chess player than myself.

I didn't mean any of this thread to offend people.  I just thought that near master level players should be able to beat 1200 players in blitz.  Maybe, like you say, sometimes under time control, a person just freezes.

Oh!  and I highly doubt I'm a better player than you, Oort.  2128 rocks, seriously.

I'm not sure that a 2000+ online rating really neccessarily equates to anything like near master level. A near master that took online chess seriously and used all the available and legal tools would probably be more like 2400 or above.

As for freezing under time control, I'm not sure if thats quite the right way to put it, rather I think the two forms just require quite different styles of play. Online requires consistenly good quality moves throughout a game and sound positional and strategic play whereas blitz seems much more about good intuitive, instinctive play and sharp, quick calculating. Personally I don't find it that surprising that some people are much better at one type than the other.

Oh and thanks for the compliment! By the way I'm super jealous of your blitz rating :)

I'll state it more directly then.  You don't find it surprising that 2000 plus rated players cannot beat 1200 players in 3 or 5min Blitz ( not mouseclicking Bullet )?

I'd rather have your Online rating than my Blitz rating.  Lets trade!  :)

I don't find it surprising because I myself suffer from this terrible affliction. Given time I can come up with good moves most of the time but with only 5 to 10 seconds per move I turn into a complete patzer. And seriously, if you want a better online rating, take your time and when you feel the need, use the tools that are readily available. I'm pretty sure your rating will skyrocket.