Optimissed wrote:
TheFlyingDorito wrote:
When I win, there is no luck in the game. When my opponent wins, they get lucky in the game. (Joke)
Pardon me for asking but
Do you have any brothers?
Why?
IRONCLAD PROOF THAT LUCK AFFECTS SOME CHESS GAME RESULTS
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The Flying Burrito Brothers, I suppose.
Feb 19, 2025
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#44
@KhakiGreenGills2: YES! You got it. Here is the full game: https://share.chessbase.com/SharedGames/share/?p=gWBEaoHX9om+oMr4o/9jO2BWwVyD69M3xwHJRQRnpfrpGR1kmqy2HXGeQtGpVVR2
Don't know why I missed that. I even looked at Qe8. Must have been tired because I should have seen it but I'd have been lucky, because I would have rejected the move for the wrong reason. Proof that luck exists in chess!!
I'm playing in a match tomorrow. Judging by this, my playing days are over. I think my opponent will be about 2000 ECF.
Two weeks ago I should have beaten a 1964 with white. Had a win and couldn't see it. Could only draw. Mind, the incentive wasn't there because it was a cup match and we'd already lost.
Feb 19, 2025
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#47
playerafar wrote:
FishThatRoared wrote:
I'm not interested in settling arguments between playarafar and Opto -- which seem to be a recurring bug (was gonna say "feature" but it's more a bug) on many forum topics. I didn't even see the original comment that brought up the checkmate-stops the clock hypothetical.
I will say only that disputes over whether someone completed a move before their flag fell are disputes over rules, or evidence (presence or absence of witnesses, etc.). That factor falls outside of the luck-vs-skill issue. If you want to split hairs, I guess I could add a further assumption that (to make "all games are decided by either X or Y" encompass all possibilities) both players are honest (neither is cheating in any way) and no external factors (earthquake, heart attack, inadvertent ringing phone causing forfeit) are present to affect the outcome.
@FishThatRoared
I can't do anything about Opto being in your forum.
the part about Opto and his fights with other members was a side-comment - made because I again wanted to mention verbally announcing checkmate and stopping the clocks as part of the checkmating move. (could be quite a situation if it wasn't checkmate!)
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I'm asking if whoever agrees that the checkmating move itself excludes luck from that particular point in the game.
It might be so obvious that it does - that its not necessary to get confirmation.
But the point is to contrast that with other points in any chess game.
Yes the issue of whether the move was made in time falls outside the skill-luck issue but another point is that flag down is a thing that might knock out that move.
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Making the checkmate move is perhaps not the only point at which luck might not exist because its 'pure skill' at that point. (however obvious the mating move is).
There's stalemate moves ...
'Mate in x moves' sequences -
Moves that punish blunders however lucky it is the opponent made the mistake - the moves that then create winning advantage could be regarded as 'pure skill' which is another reason players may tend to not see 'luck' in the game.
The mind is on the position in front - what led to it is in the past no longer being concentrated on.
no just you obsessing that Opto is much better than you
Yes he's definitely obsessive. I don't know why he's bothered, since he and I are so completely different from one-another. I'm sure we have very different interests, lifestyles and so on. That kind of unhealthy obsession with people who have no real connection is quite strange.
Feb 19, 2025
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#49
AGC - you're not here to discuss the forum subject right?
If you'd read my last post you'd see that that's what its about.
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to the rest of the forum:
Will this forum replace the 'luck in chess' forum?
I don't know. Maybe they'll both keep going.
But Rxd6 losing is certainly interesting.
I haven't clicked the second link yet - not wanting to 'peek' too early.
Feb 19, 2025
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#50
no luck in chess btw, and unlike some people, I don't hold grudges and focus on the subject.
Feb 19, 2025
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#51
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
no luck in chess btw, and unlike some people, I don't hold grudges and focus on the subject.
Lets see if you can hold that thought.
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
Rxd6 is not a good move lol
I'm scared about that match I'm playing in tomorrow because I didn't get that puzzle last night. I'm really out of practice and obviously not seeing things. So far this year I'm unbeaten and have played nearly all blacks, except for the draw with white the other week. I won all the blacks. Ooooh shouldn't be playing in matches. I need to sleep, not play chess. oooo 
Feb 20, 2025
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#55
Chess is a game of perfect information. You can predict all possible opponent moves, all possible it moves after that, etc! There is no luck at all!
Feb 20, 2025
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#57
SacrifycedStoat wrote:
Chess is a game of perfect information. You can predict all possible opponent moves, all possible it moves after that, etc! There is no luck at all!
In abstraction that's possible.
But in abstraction - isn't anything possible?
Feb 20, 2025
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#58
@FishThatRoared
Looked at your game following Rxd6. Great game.
Qe8 ... yes!
I would say the skill you displayed following Rxd6 was not luck.
Slav defense. An opening I like but have done better against e4 than d4 (by playing the Caro-Kann).
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just now - looked at the link you provided and its analysis board.
After Qd7 if White goes Rxc8 the board gave about 0.25 advantage for Black - after some thought.
But Na5 was also mentioned!!??
and if b6xa5 ... then Rxd6. And its even according to the AB.
but black doesn't take. He goes Nc4.
And in the game its like his Rxd6 drove your queen to a better square at e8.
Going back in the game a bit it seems slight advantage first shifted to black because of Nb3 by white. You gave your opponent nothing and he didn't measure up even though a very strong player at over 2300.
Optimissed wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
Rxd6 is not a good move lol
I'm scared about that match I'm playing in tomorrow because I didn't get that puzzle last night. I'm really out of practice and obviously not seeing things. So far this year I'm unbeaten and have played nearly all blacks, except for the draw with white the other week. I won all the blacks. Ooooh shouldn't be playing in matches. I need to sleep, not play chess. oooo
I wasn't wanting a game of chess last night. Opponent was 2030 FIDE. 80 mins plus 10seconds per move. I don't like increments ... stops me winning on time and lowers the game quality.
He went up on time quite quickly because I didn't want to castle. The more we played, the more I could see he was methodical and probably wouldn't take chances. He didn't take his chances to attack and then attacked in the wrong manner. I played a couple more moves, could see I'd equalised but no more and offered a draw. I suppose he accepted it because we were nearly the same rating and he wouldn't lose much rating. Bit of a non-game of chess. I could win a central pawn but it didn't look like a good pawn to me. I was black.
The move looks losing to me. Qe8 and if white's Queen moves then Qe7. If Nc5 then don't take but play Qe7 again. Did I get it right?