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wilco83

Anand hasn't played a good game against a weak Carlsen so far. Except for game 3 which is strong prep rather than skill.

A lot of chess games are being played. Isn't it possible and likely that among those games there just happens be a chess player that is on a lucky streak, that just keeps meeting opponents who play in to his prep, that just happens to remember the crucial games at the crucial times or gets favorable tournament results but actually is a very weak player.


I mean this is just basic statistics. Such a player must exist. Is it a possible that Anand is just a very very weak GM that just happens to get the right odds all the time

notmtwain
wilco83 wrote:

Anand hasn't played a good game against a weak Carlsen so far. Except for game 3 which is strong prep rather than skill.

A lot of chess games are being played. Isn't it possible and likely that among those games there just happens be a chess player that is on a lucky streak, that just keeps meeting opponents who play in to his prep, that just happens to remember the crucial games at the crucial times or gets favorable tournament results but actually is a very weak player.


I mean this is just basic statistics. Such a player must exist. Is it a possible that Anand is just a very very weak GM that just happens to get the right odds all the time

No, that's just silly. He won the title twice and defended successfully in three other matches. That is not just preparation and luck.

wilco83

Its still statistically possible that his opponents played all the moves in his prep or he just happens to remember some obscure game played 100 years ago

steve_bute

You can't earn your way into the WCC on the basis of rating. His rating is unimportant at this time.

wilco83

So you admit that Anand is a weak player

notmtwain
wilco83 wrote:

So you admit that Anand is a weak player

I don't think anybody said anything remotely like that.

The quote, "The harder I work, the luckier I get" comes to mind, which is attributed to various people, including movie producer Samuel Goldwyn

wilf100

Whilst watching the game 4 yesterday someone asked of Peter Svidler, 'who do you consider to be the 10 greatest players of all time?' Svidl stated that the question was impossible to answer but named many possibles and amongst them were both Carlsen and Anand. Peter Svidler is one of the worlds top players, he clearly doesn't believe Anand to be a 'very very weak player' neither do I, a weak player does not become World Champion or indeed challenger in a World Championship match!

casual_chess_yo

yeah anand is just a luckbox

wilf100

I wish I could get that lucky!!!

steve_bute
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steve_bute

I am torn between two possibilities: [1] the OP is trolling (no chess activity on chess.com) or [2] the OP is profoundly ignorant on the topics of chess and probability.

_Number_6
wilco83 wrote:

So you admit that Anand is a weak player

So you joined chess.com a year ago and never played a game? 

Walks like a troll, quacks like a troll....

_Number_6
casual_chess_yo wrote:

yeah anand is just a luckbox

Quote of the day!

wilco83

Top players don't make blunders like anand does in a championship match. The amount of blunders anand is making last year and this year is just staggering. Today he even achieved to make multiple blunders in one game against a carlsen that is not playing his best chess.

This is not about luck. This is just statistics 101. The probability that there is going to be such a player as anand goes to 1 the more games are being played in history.

And Svidler is just being polite come on.

General-Mayhem
wilco83 wrote:

Top players don't make blunders like anand does in a championship match. The amount of blunders anand is making last year and this year is just staggering. Today he even achieved to make multiple blunders in one game against a carlsen that is not playing his best chess.

This is not about luck. This is just statistics 101. The probability that there is going to be such a player as anand goes to 1 the more games are being played in history.

And Svidler is just being polite come on.

You're forgetting that Carlsen was the one who blundered material, and Anand simply missed it. Does that mean Carlsen isn't a top player?

wilco83
General-Mayhem wrote:
wilco83 wrote:

Top players don't make blunders like anand does in a championship match. The amount of blunders anand is making last year and this year is just staggering. Today he even achieved to make multiple blunders in one game against a carlsen that is not playing his best chess.

This is not about luck. This is just statistics 101. The probability that there is going to be such a player as anand goes to 1 the more games are being played in history.

And Svidler is just being polite come on.

You're forgetting that Carlsen was the one who blundered material, and Anand simply missed it. Does that mean Carlsen isn't a top player?

He missed it but what is the reason to continue to blunder the rest of the game unless you are a weak player? What is the reason to blunder in game 2? or in last world championship match?

Or what is the reason that he has a negative record against kasparov?

DaMaGor
wilco83 wrote:
General-Mayhem wrote:
wilco83 wrote:

Top players don't make blunders like anand does in a championship match. The amount of blunders anand is making last year and this year is just staggering. Today he even achieved to make multiple blunders in one game against a carlsen that is not playing his best chess.

This is not about luck. This is just statistics 101. The probability that there is going to be such a player as anand goes to 1 the more games are being played in history.

And Svidler is just being polite come on.

You're forgetting that Carlsen was the one who blundered material, and Anand simply missed it. Does that mean Carlsen isn't a top player?

He missed it but what is the reason to continue to blunder the rest of the game unless you are a weak player? What is the reason to blunder in game 2? or in last world championship match?

Or what is the reason that he has a negative record against kasparov?

Every player relevant to the world championship level except Kramnik had a negative record against Kasparov.  Most of them were utterly dominated.

Carlsen blundered and Anand blundered back because chess is a very hard game.

wilf100

Svidler is very polite of course, but he need not have mentioned either Carlsen or Anand, after all they were not listening!

Rogue_King

@OP: The short answer is no, the long answer is nope.

asknotaxe

Anand is a strong player, as his stay in the top level of chess for so very long proves without a doubt.

 

That being said, he is 44 years old now, and last time I checked live ratings  Anand (44) and Ivanchuk (45) were the only 40+ players in the worlds top 30.

This, and Anand showing nerves at several times during his career in important matches (anyone remember Anand vs. Kasparov?) probably combine to let him perform under his optimum ability.